When it Rains, it Pours: US safety regulators probe SCION Failures

[BigAls87Z28]

I dont remember more then a hanful of Corvette roof skin falling off, but that cant hurt the occupants of the car, maybe obstruct the person behind the corvette, but it was allllllllll over the news.
I remember when the "recall" for the G6 owners manuals that were missing the page that tells you how to latch seat belts to a child seat. That was on MSNBC and all you saw was the GM symbol, Pontiac badge, and "RECALL" in big letters under the graphic. Someone skipping through could see that and be like "I guess they still make crappy cars" when it in fact has nothing to do with the car.

Point is that none of this info is being relayed down to the public.

[morepower]

I never could understand or care about a glass roof on a car, looks cool but something just dint feel right, so i bought a civic ex with a moon roof instead of a scion SC, she would not go for a Saturn. This is the end for Toyota, na but it could tarnish scion, they are overpriced and they wont haggle, I hate that.

[LAMRONH]

Welcome to the Big Leagues.

[grumbles]

You guys are crapping all over glass roofs in cars now, but when the thread with the new opel with the sloping windshield was posted, everybody was crazy over it. Is it prone to shatter? I doubt it, just as much as I doubt the roof of the TC was designed to shatter into a million pieces.

So which is it, glass roof or none at all? Moon roofs shatter all the time, and glass falls on people. It happens. The same thing happens to windshields and the rest of the windows in the car too, they break, and fragments go places they shouldn't.

Is glass a safety hazard? Maybe we should eleminate it altogether, what do you guys think?

[driverblogger]

This is old news, Toyta/Scion already new about the shattering glass.

[Kheiron]

Originally Posted by grumbles

You guys are crapping all over glass roofs in cars now, but when the thread with the new opel with the sloping windshield was posted, everybody was crazy over it. Is it prone to shatter? I doubt it, just as much as I doubt the roof of the TC was designed to shatter into a million pieces.

So which is it, glass roof or none at all? Moon roofs shatter all the time, and glass falls on people. It happens. The same thing happens to windshields and the rest of the windows in the car too, they break, and fragments go places they shouldn't.

Is glass a safety hazard? Maybe we should eleminate it altogether, what do you guys think?

Wow, where to begin? Grumbles, I'm really surprised, astonished almost, that you are giving toyota a free pass on this one. its like saying, "suv's roll over, so the people in the explorers should get over the whole rollover thing, , hey they drive an SUV, they should know those vehicles are more prone to rolling over. its inherent in their size." (its not a direct comparison, but hopefully you are comprehending the point I am trying to communicate) The bottom line is it shouldn't happen and if it were a saturn TC you would be all over that thing's behind .

I don't think to many GMI'ers are jumping all over this, to quote you. I believe many are surprised by the whole situation, its still in the probing status, there may be nothing wrong, but then again, it might be a defective part or a bad design, so a wait and see approach is the most mature and best option from my point of view, which is what I'm doing (if you read my last post, it is consistant with this view.)

Again, lets hope its nothing, just a "freak accident" with 9 vehicles. Lets hope there is no issue here, but if there is, lets be thankful the problem was caught before more people are injured.

I am an automobile fan with a preference for GM products, but an auto fan none-the-less. I wish for everyone to do well as its win win for all parties involved, including the most important one, the consumer. I want Toyota and Honda to be as strong as they can, as much as I want GM / Ford to put forth the best product possible. I envision each company working hard, utilizing their talents and strengths, while eradicating their weakness with everyone being financially profitable. No one should wish harm or failure of another company's vehicles as real people will get hurt or killed in the real world. I believe I can speak for everyone on GMI that no one wants any person hurt, it could be your brother, uncle, or friend driving a car, and even if its by a make/model you don't prefer, I highly doubt you'd wish them harm as a consequence? See my point? Hopefully this philosophical rant communicates it effectively.

Thanks for reading my long post guys and enjoy your night!

[grumbles]

Haha, you should see some of the recall threads. There's always a handful of people cheering for loss of steering, failing ball joints, or just about anything that causes a non-gm car to crash.

[HoosierRon]

Rumor has it that Toyota will be introducing a new model at next year's Detroit Auto Show: the Scion Pinto.

[Kheiron]

Originally Posted by grumbles

Haha, you should see some of the recall threads. There's always a handful of people cheering for loss of steering, failing ball joints, or just about anything that causes a non-gm car to crash.

Well thats a shame. How "un-American", unethical, and immoral. I'm all for the "Buy American" campaigning, but not at the expense of people's safety, livelihood, and their lives!!! Quite frankly, thats just plain wrong and very sad to see people say things like that. (Don't seep to that level though, as I've read your posts before and they are very interesting and thought provoking, so continue to post intelligently as I always enjoy seeing how other people think, no matter what they drive . )

At the end of the day too, its a product just like anything else to (most) people. A very expensive and sometimes a very emotional purchase, but a product nevertheless. To wish it to malfunction at the cost of someone's saftey or life, I cannot fathom that.

[mbukukanyau]

Toyota is holy, nothing is bad for it
They can do all things

[LAChevy24]

not exactly happy that people are getting, or possibly getting hurt, but in a sense im happy to see that toyota isnt invincible. they are not the best company out there. now there just has to be a bunch of honda recalls

[Butz]

Originally Posted by grumbles

Is glass a safety hazard? Maybe we should eleminate it altogether, what do you guys think?

No they can use glass that doesn't shatter.

[GM-Joe]

Well hopefully people will learn to start supporting us and quit buying that garbage; especially when all Scions come straight from Japan.

A little of the topic, I just read an article from the Free Press that says that for every 1000 vehicles produced, the transplants support 13 jobs, the Big 3 support 34. Hopefully, people will start supporting the Big 3 and stop helping foreign companies.

[motorman]

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Is glass a safety hazard? Maybe we should eleminate it altogether, what do you guys think? [/quote]water is also a saftey hazard if you are 5 feet tall and are standing in 6 feet of it.

[Ming]

Originally Posted by grumbles

I doubt the roof of the TC was designed to shatter into a million pieces.

So which is it, glass roof or none at all?

Just because you don't want to believe it was designed poorly, or "doubt" it, does not make it a good design. Until the Astra is recalled, we should assume that it is a good design, and the Scion design is not. But then that would be throwing your brand loyalty out the window (or moonroof), and we wouldn't want that to happen!

Some people laugh at people who buy known unsafe Domestic models just because they'd never buy an import. The reverse should hold true, and people who cover their eyes so they can go on living in a world where Toyota can do no wrong should also be laughed at.

In all good fun, of course.