Recall: 2007 Toyota RAV4 Suffers Engine Problems

[CRBoyd91]

Originally Posted by camaro_freak

falling on one's sword perhaps???

Well yeah, if you want to get into that.

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by j_granlund

Don't you love when that happens? Then they try to argue that its not the 70's or 80's and they bring that up.

I guess they have to defend their intelligence after buying those bland and now unreliable rides.

[GMfan1111]

Toyota should write a book I see the title now

1000 ways to break a toyota engine

"from explosions, electrical shorts, to that funky sludge. learn how to completly wreck your engine in record time

[GMfan1111]

or even better toyota should do what chrysler did and roll out the lifetime warranty people are going to need it with the way their turds umm i mean toyotas are being recalled left and right lately

[ColinOpseth]

Yay!! More problems for the problem-prone!

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

I guess they have to defend their intelligence after buying those bland and now unreliable rides.

There will be at least another two - four years worth of this kind of 'moving forward' .

At some point , some other things worse than this are going to happen , and some other things probably/possibly will .

That last group has be hedged only because current events may overun all of this and more .

(Actually I'm cutting this part short because one of the kids lost the cruise missiles off the model airplane B52H in the basement and we're not sure if we recovered all six warheads .)

Well , I guess if we try and summarize what this means in terms of future Toyota news .......

1.) We will finally find out how Toyota contributes to Consumer Reports 160,000,000 $ contribution/subscription fund (2006).

1a.) CR will lose a substantial amount of credibility - as they should .

2 - 20.) Similar idea in other areas , notably how the NHTSA/EPA have dealt with Toyota vs GM , Ford , and Chrysler concerning everything regulatory.

Once the right kind of critical information mass is reached ( old Prius's 2004 included, will somehow be involved ) the greedy , dishonest , second generation folly that Toyota started to become in the early '90s will lie at least partially exposed for all to see .

Here is the critical corporate lie (from the linked article) that they really , really want to maintain to prevent this .

Its a variation on blame the victim - the 'oh shucks' we , the great people of Toyota were a victim of the success you forced on us as opposed to the truth of the matter ie just a classic case of good 'ole fashioned Piss Poor strategic management motivated by greed , riddled with avarice , overflowing with hubris ..... and worth noting , a particularly nasty case of Japanese arrogance.

"Apart from the pressures of having to rapidly increase production, Mr Kino****a said -- "

Classic Toyota B.S. Spin .

Just like Japan in WW2 , they have fundamentally miscalculated - tried for too much too fast and won't be able to hold on to their ill begotten gains .

The only thing that can cushion their upcoming fall is currency values over the next five years .

Get that 'better' and you not only cut'em deep , you break some very important bones .

[nascarnate326]

My day just got better

[sjasner]

The "T" stands for TRASH

[jzchev28]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

There will be at least another two - four years worth of this kind of 'moving forward' .

At some point , some other things worse than this are going to happen , and some other things probably/possibly will .

That last group has be hedged only because current events may overun all of this and more .

(Actually I'm cutting this part short because one of the kids lost the cruise missiles off the model airplane B52H in the basement and we're not sure if we recovered all six warheads .)

Well , I guess if we try and summarize what this means in terms of future Toyota news .......

1.) We will finally find out how Toyota contributes to Consumer Reports 160,000,000 $ contribution/subscription fund (2006).

1a.) CR will lose a substantial amount of credibility - as they should .

2 - 20.) Similar idea in other areas , notably how the NHTSA/EPA have dealt with Toyota vs GM , Ford , and Chrysler concerning everything regulatory.

Once the right kind of critical information mass is reached ( old Prius's 2004 included, will somehow be involved ) the greedy , dishonest , second generation folly that Toyota started to become in the early '90s will lie at least partially exposed for all to see .

Here is the critical corporate lie (from the linked article) that they really , really want to maintain to prevent this .

Its a variation on blame the victim - the 'oh shucks' we , the great people of Toyota were a victim of the success you forced on us as opposed to the truth of the matter ie just a classic case of good 'ole fashioned Piss Poor strategic management motivated by greed , riddled with avarice , overflowing with hubris ..... and worth noting , a particularly nasty case of Japanese arrogance.

"Apart from the pressures of having to rapidly increase production, Mr Kino****a said -- "

Classic Toyota B.S. Spin .

Just like Japan in WW2 , they have fundamentally miscalculated - tried for too much too fast and won't be able to hold on to their ill begotten gains .

The only thing that can cushion their upcoming fall is currency values over the next five years .

Get that 'better' and you not only cut'em deep , you break some very important bones .

amen, im all for it

[Butz]

Was Toyota always like this? I thought (I was told) they are indestructible!!

What I can't get is how a company which was (supposedly) in charge of quality, and a load of crappy books were written about its magical wonders, end up with one recall after another?

[GMfan1111]

Originally Posted by Butz

Was Toyota always like this? I thought (I was told) they are indestructible!!

What I can't get is how a company which was (supposedly) in charge of quality, and a load of crappy books were written about its magical wonders, end up with one recall after another?

Originally toyota was not like this back in the 80's and earlier but as stated they tried to bite off more they can chew in the 90's and the early 2000's and now they are learning the consequences of rapid growth. And as i previously stated in past threads quality is usually the first thing to go down the toilet when a company in any field undertakes rapid market growth. In other words Reality, Economics, and cost cutting finally caught up with them in a big way

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

There will be at least another two - four years worth of this kind of 'moving forward' .

At some point , some other things worse than this are going to happen , and some other things probably/possibly will .

That last group has be hedged only because current events may overun all of this and more .

(Actually I'm cutting this part short because one of the kids lost the cruise missiles off the model airplane B52H in the basement and we're not sure if we recovered all six warheads .)

Well , I guess if we try and summarize what this means in terms of future Toyota news .......

1.) We will finally find out how Toyota contributes to Consumer Reports 160,000,000 $ contribution/subscription fund (2006).

1a.) CR will lose a substantial amount of credibility - as they should .

2 - 20.) Similar idea in other areas , notably how the NHTSA/EPA have dealt with Toyota vs GM , Ford , and Chrysler concerning everything regulatory.

Once the right kind of critical information mass is reached ( old Prius's 2004 included, will somehow be involved ) the greedy , dishonest , second generation folly that Toyota started to become in the early '90s will lie at least partially exposed for all to see .

Here is the critical corporate lie (from the linked article) that they really , really want to maintain to prevent this .

Its a variation on blame the victim - the 'oh shucks' we , the great people of Toyota were a victim of the success you forced on us as opposed to the truth of the matter ie just a classic case of good 'ole fashioned Piss Poor strategic management motivated by greed , riddled with avarice , overflowing with hubris ..... and worth noting , a particularly nasty case of Japanese arrogance.

"Apart from the pressures of having to rapidly increase production, Mr Kino****a said -- "

Classic Toyota B.S. Spin .

Just like Japan in WW2 , they have fundamentally miscalculated - tried for too much too fast and won't be able to hold on to their ill begotten gains .

The only thing that can cushion their upcoming fall is currency values over the next five years .

Get that 'better' and you not only cut'em deep , you break some very important bones .

The only thing that shocked me is how it all of a sudden happen. It wasn't a slow decline in quality. Just bam and now you have 3-4 serious problems and your vehicles are no longer going to get recommended. I just wonder if this will help GM get more customer?

[I-Love-Pontiac]

The thing is all this bad news surrounding Toyota doesn't even matter, because no one is talking about it. And therefore most people don't know. I watch A LOT of news, and I have yet to hear them mention any of these recent problems at Toyota.

And what really sucks is even though their vehicles are having serious problems it wont effect their reliability ratings, since ratings are based on number of problems and not severity. I've been pointing this out for a while now.

Chevys may not be the most reliable, but at least they are reliable where it counts.

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

Chevys may not be the most reliable, but at least they are reliable where it counts.

Can you be more specific?

[GMfan1111]

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

The thing is all this bad news surrounding Toyota doesn't even matter, because no one is talking about it. And therefore most people don't know. I watch A LOT of news, and I have yet to hear them mention any of these recent problems at Toyota.

And what really sucks is even though their vehicles are having serious problems it wont effect their reliability ratings, since ratings are based on number of problems and not severity. I've been pointing this out for a while now.

Chevys may not be the most reliable, but at least they are reliable where it counts.

yeah i agree with PA can you specify the quote you provided please