Honda recalls 353K Accord sedans

[Johnny P]

Originally Posted by psece

It doesn't take any speed at all. It just has to be an abrupt power change and the car will get squirly. I have driven front wheel drive cars my whole life. They don't react well to power transitions. You can talk all you want about bald tires, snow and other BS, but if the driver isn't expecting it, it is a safety issue.

Then the car has other problems. I've never driven a FWD car without some alignment problem that will oversteer when the throttle is released. Some will do it when the car is pushed to the limit and you jerk off the throttle, but not otherwise.

[Johnny P]

Originally Posted by Johnny P

It takes much longer than a month to produce TSB. Especially one that involves such a high number of vehicles.

Not making excuses.

Originally Posted by Minnesota Nice

This has been going on for seven years, and even after the bulletin came out, Honda (of America) claimed they had "never heard of it".

My point is that it wasn't a reaction to the news story.

I can guarantee that they knew about it. Maybe not the people you or others were talking to.

Did you get your car fixed yet? We are supposed to have one coming in for that very problem on Friday.

[eurohazard]

Originally Posted by psece

It doesn't take any speed at all. It just has to be an abrupt power change and the car will get squirly. I have driven front wheel drive cars my whole life. They don't react well to power transitions. You can talk all you want about bald tires, snow and other BS, but if the driver isn't expecting it, it is a safety issue.

How in heck are you going to get "an abrupt power change" without "any speed at all" in 3rd gear?

- If someone is in third gear in a Honda, they are likely going ~35 mph.
- For there to be a "squirrelly" condition in the rear suspension at 35 mph, one would have to be taking a 45* corner (or greater).
- Light gas condition, then shifter pops out.....car unaffected.
- Heavy gas condition, then shifter pops out.....probably a startled driver due to spirited acceleration coming to a halt without driver input.

I fail to how this is at all as big of a safety deal as you claim. Would I get it fixed if it were my car? Yes. Would I consider it a "safety" issue? Yes. But only a completely terrible driver would crash due to this condition.............and I have seen people crash a perfectly functioning car.

[psece]

Originally Posted by eurohazard

How in heck are you going to get "an abrupt power change" without "any speed at all" in 3rd gear?

- If someone is in third gear in a Honda, they are likely going ~35 mph.
- For there to be a "squirrelly" condition in the rear suspension at 35 mph, one would have to be taking a 45* corner (or greater).
- Light gas condition, then shifter pops out.....car unaffected.
- Heavy gas condition, then shifter pops out.....probably a startled driver due to spirited acceleration coming to a halt without driver input.

I fail to how this is at all as big of a safety deal as you claim. Would I get it fixed if it were my car? Yes. Would I consider it a "safety" issue? Yes. But only a completely terrible driver would crash due to this condition.............and I have seen people crash a perfectly functioning car.

You consider 45 fast around a cloverleaf fast? It was asinine but I have done close to 70 around a cloverleaf in a Golf. 45 is just barely heating up the tires. And I believe the CIVIC SI is pretty capable.

How many good drivers do you see on the roads now? I rest my case on the Safety issue.

[a_v_s]

Originally Posted by psece

You consider 45 fast around a cloverleaf fast? It was asinine but I have done close to 70 around a cloverleaf in a Golf. 45 is just barely heating up the tires. And I believe the CIVIC SI is pretty capable.

He said 45 degrees not mph. He was talking about taking a 45 degree curve at 35mph.

[Minnesota Nice]

Originally Posted by Johnny P

My point is that it wasn't a reaction to the news story.

I can guarantee that they knew about it. Maybe not the people you or others were talking to.

Did you get your car fixed yet? We are supposed to have one coming in for that very problem on Friday.

It still took them about seven years to finally do something about it despite constant complaints about it.

And yeah, I had it fixed when it first came out. It popped out on me two times the first adn second day I had it back. It hasn't since, it's still pretty notchy, but I've come to expect that from this transmission. As long as it doesn't grind or pop out anymore, I'm fine.

But Honda still won't address second gear grinds, which are pretty frequent in many Si's too.

[a_v_s]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Nice

But Honda still won't address second gear grinds, which are pretty frequent in many Si's too.

I don't know about the Si, but for the TL and TSX, many Acura dealers (and everyone on the acura boards) are recommending GM Synchromesh fluid to resolve issues with the MT. I've heard a bunch of dealers are even stocking GM Synchromesh fluid now.

[Johnny P]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Nice

It still took them about seven years to finally do something about it despite constant complaints about it.

And yeah, I had it fixed when it first came out. It popped out on me two times the first adn second day I had it back. It hasn't since, it's still pretty notchy, but I've come to expect that from this transmission. As long as it doesn't grind or pop out anymore, I'm fine.

But Honda still won't address second gear grinds, which are pretty frequent in many Si's too.

Every manufacturer has trouble like this. Go surf GM truck forums, or Ford or Dodge truck forums or any other auto forum you can think of.

My '07 Avalanche has a transmission that is effectively a 25yr old design that is still about as likely to have problems as yours. It already has a delayed, harsh 1/2 shift when cold. Look at all the problems GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota and everybody else has had over the years. This is TINY compared to some of the things that happen.

For instance....we install an average of 2-3 sets of sway bar links and bushings on the Chrysler vans per week. Same with steering racks, shift packs. We also replace a TON of u-joints, ball joints, steering shafts, evaporators and radiators on the Dodge trucks. They've been having these problems for many years. No updated parts, no TSB's, no recalls and no warranty extensions. It was the same at the Ford dealer I worked at and it is the same with GM.

[buildacariwant]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Nice

It still took them about seven years to finally do something about it despite constant complaints about it.

And yeah, I had it fixed when it first came out. It popped out on me two times the first adn second day I had it back. It hasn't since, it's still pretty notchy, but I've come to expect that from this transmission. As long as it doesn't grind or pop out anymore, I'm fine.

But Honda still won't address second gear grinds, which are pretty frequent in many Si's too.

no mechanical issues squeaks rattles here. best bang for buck to row your own gears imo.

[Minnesota Nice]

Just wait. If you live in a cold climate, give it a year. Even my Honda dealer admit they pretty much failed to insulate the car at all due to cost-cutting measures.

And the transmission? Best for the money...when it's working properly, that is:

a.) Not grinding into second.
b.) Not popping out/grinding/resisting third gear entry.

And that's just the tranny.

[buildacariwant]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Nice

Just wait. If you live in a cold climate, give it a year. Even my Honda dealer admit they pretty much failed to insulate the car at all due to cost-cutting measures.

And the transmission? Best for the money...when it's working properly, that is:

a.) Not grinding into second.
b.) Not popping out/grinding/resisting third gear entry.

And that's just the tranny.

i live in the northeast and have owed the car since pre-ordering, waiting forever, then taking possession of one of the first sedans in Nov 2006. No issues here. period. for under 22k it is what it is. econo car fun on the cheap. want shifting perfection go buy a ferrari or something.

[Minnesota Nice]

I now understand where GM owners on this forum get annoyed with foreign owners.

I know far more people with Civic problems than not.

[Johnny P]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Nice

I now understand where GM owners on this forum get annoyed with foreign owners.

I know far more people with Civic problems than not.

And I know just the opposite.

[buildacariwant]

i post here because im a GM fan at heart and grew up in a family the exclusively bought some bad a$$ loaded GM cars....until the 90s.

since then i've owned alot of hondas and their percieved reliability and high resale has always worked in my favor. sorry you and all your friends havent had the same experience.

that said....

cant we all just get along? i just want to post about cars and not pick each other apart for our views.

[GMCSonoma]

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