Honda recalls 353K Accord sedans

[mpsrent]

Minor and they acted. Good for them.

[scotted73]

Originally Posted by drew630

So what about the POS transmissions that have been in Honda's for years??

You can add the airbag issues (faulty install, delayed reaction, malfunctions, tearing, sensor failure, wiring problems) that have affected the Odyssey, CRV, Accord and RL over the last eight years.

[logansowner]

Originally Posted by DiRF

From personal experience, I know at least Honda dealers have much more respect for their customers than Toyota dealers too. All of the dealings me or a family member has had with a Toyota dealer have left me with the impression that Toyota dealers think, "Oh, well, if you don't buy one of our cars, there are thousands of others that will, so go away or I shall taunt you a second time."

Probably why almost no one in my family drives a Toyota, even though we've all looked at Toyotas when car-shopping.

I agree, last year I entered the Honda dealership after looking at a black Fit Sport, and a really pretty girl (+1) came over after a couple minutes of me checking out the S2000 inside(+2) and asked if I was interested in a test drive....(+3) I said no, I was more interested in a Fit.(money wise... ) She said that was fine, and we went into her office.

She didn't pull the "what would you like for a payment" bull crap. We went over the price, and it ended up that the Sport model was the only one I could see myself in, but it came with things I didn't want, and lacked features of other models that i did want.

I ended up being approved for a 36 month lease, but I wanted a 48 month loan. They offered me 9% but I expected better from my bank. When the bank wouldn't finance it at all, I ended up walking. For being 18 years old, I thought that was great treatment form the dealership.

When that fell through I went next door to the Toyota stealership (maybe a month later)to look at a Yaris or Corolla.

I spent 10 minutes looking around, and nobody would come talk to me. I went inside, looked at another Corolla in there, and still, no attention.

**** Toyota.

[SUPERBADD75]

Originally Posted by steve333

Make fun of Honda but realize this-when they see a problem they act on it-properly.
Unlike GM, which uses faulty steering components in many models and not only doesnt recall them but when we go in to get it repaired they put in the same faulty component!
From what I have heard the Impala, Malibu, Cobalt, Silverado, G6, Aura, and who knows how many other vehicles all have problems with the steering column and intermediate shafts. And when you finally get a dealer to admit a problem GM supplies them with the same POS Parts!
This issue alone is what will get me out of a GM vehicle on my next purchase.
GM just does not get it. Not now and I'm afraid not ever.
Honda and Toyota would never let a problem linger this long and we are talking years here.

you're right, GM has issues with knocking intermediate shafts. you forgot that all of the full size trucks and SUVs, and a lot of the midsized trucks and SUVs have the same problem. i will say that GM has not been putting "the same POS parts" in your vehicle, they've had several different fixes and designs of their intermediate shafts and have admittedly had issues finding one that doesn't knock. my TB did it for a long time and i finally got it fixed about 10,000 miles ago (and they goodwilled it, BTW, on a 75,000 mile truck. that's a company taking care of a customer.) and it's been fine. the intermediate shaft issue is a nuisance, but it's not something that just stops working or makes a vehicle dangerous to drive. GM has had things go wrong, and so have Honda, Toyota, and every other automaker, but to say that they don't try to make things right is stupid. GM is usually pretty quick to recall or at least issue TSBs when they know there's a problem with something, and they are also really good about taking care of things even after the warranty expires in some cases.

if you want to see a company that shirks responsibility for a problem, you should try working for a Chrysler dealership. i had a Chrysler rep flat out tell a customer that a problem they had with their vehicle was due to the dealership's ineptitude in fixing the vehicle, that it wasn't the way that the vehicle was built. i had another customer whose car needed a A/C mode door that took nearly a month to finally arrive at the dealership, after chasing down 3 different (wrong) part numbers, getting 2 broken parts and 3 incorrect ones, and then after all was said and done Chrysler agreed to assist the customer in paying for none of the rental car she was in.

Land Rover's pretty good about it, too. when i was in the used car department, we sold a Freelander that we sold that had low mileage, but was out of its warranty period by 2 months when it came back to us with a coolant leak and overheating issues. well, after having it over at the Landy place 3 times and telling the customer that neither we nor they can find the leak, she brought it back while it was hot, and we let it cool off enough to rush it over to the LR dealer. i was informed the next morning that the vehicle needed a long block assembly (to the tune of nearly $8,000) due to the cylinder sleeves sliding down and leaving the water jackets exposed. water was slowly seeping into the crankcase!! what made it worse is that i was told that this was a well known problem, that "they all do it eventually". after having been told several times before that they had no idea what the issue was. then they told me that Land Rover would not assist the customer AT ALL with the repair, even though the vehicle had ridiculously low miles and was only out of warranty by a couple of months and nowhere near the mileage. that's a company that does not stand behind their products. i guess ultimately you could say Ford is at fault.

so anyway, before you say that GM doesn't try, i say that's a bunch of crap, and there are a lot worse.

[steve333]

Would you as a car company continue putting in defective parts? That is what GM is doing. They are not replacing the parts with those that will fix the issue.
As a customer, how are we supposed to feel about it?
I thought this was only a Chevy issue until I went to the Saturn forums to find out that Aura owners are going through the same exact thing.
Didnt Lutz say a couple years ago that GM will only use parts that last at least 10 years or longer? Clearly that was bullcrap. This is a known issue for years. I find that bizarre.
Its hard to have confidence in GM when they pull stunts like this.

[drew630]

Originally Posted by steve333

Would you as a car company continue putting in defective parts? That is what GM is doing. They are not replacing the parts with those that will fix the issue.
As a customer, how are we supposed to feel about it?
I thought this was only a Chevy issue until I went to the Saturn forums to find out that Aura owners are going through the same exact thing.
Didnt Lutz say a couple years ago that GM will only use parts that last at least 10 years or longer? Clearly that was bullcrap. This is a known issue for years. I find that bizarre.
Its hard to have confidence in GM when they pull stunts like this.

And what "part" would this be?? I have heard nothing even remotely close to what your saying.

Edit: the steering shafts. Yeah, don't know whats up with those either.

[OneMeanChevy]

Originally Posted by steve333

Make fun of Honda but realize this-when they see a problem they act on it-properly.
Unlike GM, which uses faulty steering components in many models and not only doesnt recall them but when we go in to get it repaired they put in the same faulty component!
From what I have heard the Impala, Malibu, Cobalt, Silverado, G6, Aura, and who knows how many other vehicles all have problems with the steering column and intermediate shafts. And when you finally get a dealer to admit a problem GM supplies them with the same POS Parts!
This issue alone is what will get me out of a GM vehicle on my next purchase.
GM just does not get it. Not now and I'm afraid not ever.
Honda and Toyota would never let a problem linger this long and we are talking years here.

Oh Really, Just don't tell fellow GMIer Minnesota Nice that Or any Honda Civic Si owner with a manual. You may just get a reaction you wouldn't expect.

See Link:
Consumerist finally picks up Civic Si Complaint.

Don't say you weren't warned.

[OneMeanChevy]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Nice

It took Honda almost a decade to release a bulletin, a TSB no less, not a full recall, for the troublesome third gear that pops out, grinds, rejects shifts, and chews up syncros in all of its 6-speed manual transmissions.

American Honda STILL says they've never heard of this problem before. They have fought us for six years on this issue and have never once conceded until this TSB.

I'm definitely glad that my 20,000 mile car needs its transmission torn apart and overhauled so early in it's life.

This is the difference between a smart company and a dumb one: Honda realizes the negative backlash itw ould get in releasing a recall for the Civic Si and all other Honda/Acura vehicles with the 6MT, so they release a TSB, thereby insulating themselves against spending too much money on the problem and letting the public know about it.

Oops, I missed your post. Oh Well. Glad to here something is being done about your issue.

[blank disk]

This is not minor, are you kidding me.
Can you imagine if you are driving on the highway and your wipers quit working - you are efffed.

[impala02]

Originally Posted by steve333

Make fun of Honda but realize this-when they see a problem they act on it-properly.
Unlike GM, which uses faulty steering components in many models and not only doesnt recall them but when we go in to get it repaired they put in the same faulty component!
From what I have heard the Impala, Malibu, Cobalt, Silverado, G6, Aura, and who knows how many other vehicles all have problems with the steering column and intermediate shafts. And when you finally get a dealer to admit a problem GM supplies them with the same POS Parts!
This issue alone is what will get me out of a GM vehicle on my next purchase.
GM just does not get it. Not now and I'm afraid not ever.
Honda and Toyota would never let a problem linger this long and we are talking years here.

Complain all you want about GM, but do realize that the other companies you mentioned above have problems too. See GMI member Minnesota Nice's complaints about the transmission on his Civic. Then do a search for similar complaints about the Honda transmission. It's well documented, but guess what? Honda doesn't acknowledge it.

On to the faulty steering components: guess who else has customers that have had the dreaded steering clunk on their cars and trucks, often on low mileage vehicles? If you guessed Toyota, you are correct. Do a google search, you'll be amazed. While annoying, the clunk from both the Toyota and GM intermediate steering shafts pose no safety threat. The parts won't fail, they just develop an annoying clunk. Funny, one of the fixes I've seen on a Toyo forum is the same as the one I performed on my GM: just get a can of spray grease and inject it into the shaft. Problem solved. I agree, these problems shouldn't happen, but they do. You just need to realize that GM owners are not the only one that this happens to.

[impala02]

Originally Posted by blank disk

This is not minor, are you kidding me.
Can you imagine if you are driving on the highway and your wipers quit working - you are efffed.

Seriously, I've been in downpours where the wipers could barely keep up. I can only imagine if they stopped working!

[GMCSonoma]

Originally Posted by steve333

Would you as a car company continue putting in defective parts? That is what GM is doing. They are not replacing the parts with those that will fix the issue.
As a customer, how are we supposed to feel about it?
I thought this was only a Chevy issue until I went to the Saturn forums to find out that Aura owners are going through the same exact thing.
Didnt Lutz say a couple years ago that GM will only use parts that last at least 10 years or longer? Clearly that was bullcrap. This is a known issue for years. I find that bizarre.
Its hard to have confidence in GM when they pull stunts like this.

Please folks, let's keep to the topic @ hand...

Also, we need to keep these recall threads clean & free, otherwise they'll be locked up again...

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by steve333

Make fun of Honda but realize this-when they see a problem they act on it-properly.
Unlike GM, which uses faulty steering components in many models and not only doesnt recall them but when we go in to get it repaired they put in the same faulty component!
From what I have heard the Impala, Malibu, Cobalt, Silverado, G6, Aura, and who knows how many other vehicles all have problems with the steering column and intermediate shafts. And when you finally get a dealer to admit a problem GM supplies them with the same POS Parts!
This issue alone is what will get me out of a GM vehicle on my next purchase.
GM just does not get it. Not now and I'm afraid not ever.
Honda and Toyota would never let a problem linger this long and we are talking years here.

Hmm...what was that transmission problem with honda now? That's been lasting quite a while...

[genjy]

Originally Posted by blank disk

This is not minor, are you kidding me.
Can you imagine if you are driving on the highway and your wipers quit working - you are efffed.

I see people driving in the rain without the wipers on all the time.

It's mind-boggling how they can do it, but it's do-able... apparently.

[Minnesota Nice]

I am in no way defending Honda, but this recall isn't horrifying. When you look at things that Chyrsler has been recalling and do comparisons...Honda and Toyota win. I'm sorry, I'd rather have my car recalled for a potentially faulty windshield wiper (and maybe get a new motor if it corroded) than have to have massive engine/transmission work done due to faulty manufacturing.

Honda's aren't flawless. You guys should take a look at the list of American Honda Service News Bulletins I compiled (2003-2008) that aren't TSBs (necessarily). There are tons and tons for the Odyssey. Tons. Accord had quite a few as well, as have the Civics, but the majority are very, VERY minor things.

Not defending, but in the grand scheme of things, I can thnik of many worse things to recall.

I'm still bitter about Honda about this third gear bull****. We wait almost a decade after pleading with Honda to do something, and we get a TSB that tells owners out of warranty that they are S.O.L.