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Old 12-22-2007, 10:59 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

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The article summary is not very descriptive. The only sedan in this is the CTS, the Saturn and Pontiac are roasters (Sky and Solstice).

The STS uses the same rear diff, as does the GTO....however they aren't in the recall.


What is really stupid...component parts are not serviced for these Getrag rear diffs! If that were the case....GM could save lots of $$$$$$
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Re: GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

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The STS uses the same rear diff, as does the GTO....however they aren't in the recall.


What is really stupid...component parts are not serviced for these Getrag rear diffs! If that were the case....GM could save lots of $$$$$$
Much like the black paint coming off of F series's chrome emblems. Instead of replacing the whole emblem, why not have black F 150, F250, F 350 vynil stickers to replace the lettering.

Yes not safety related but one to think about, just the same.
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Re: GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

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The STS uses the same rear diff, as does the GTO....however they aren't in the recall.


What is really stupid...component parts are not serviced for these Getrag rear diffs! If that were the case....GM could save lots of $$$$$$
I am not understanding what you mean. Component parts are not serviced?
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Old 12-22-2007, 12:35 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I am not understanding what you mean. Component parts are not serviced?

Nope...most have had the pinions shimmed out incorrectly...causing undue wear...

R&P not sold, not are the carrier bearings!!!! You have to buy the whole diff!
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Nope...most have had the pinions shimmed out incorrectly...causing undue wear...

R&P not sold, not are the carrier bearings!!!! You have to buy the whole diff!
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:40 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Bad news but... I must say this seems to have been a good year for GM on recalls. As far as actual numbers and severity are concerned anyway. Either that, or I haven't been paying attention. Anyone have any totals on the year thus far?
GM is still the lowest even with this recall. In total I'd estimate about 500K units for GM for the whole year. This is a very good result.

Toyota is 2nd lowest at about 700-800K units for the year.

Ford, Chrysler, Nissan and VW all are way up there, over 1 million or more.

These are NHTSA stats only.
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:17 PM   #52 (permalink)
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basically, every single late model RWD car they sell.

Hmmm. Not good. Not good at all.
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Re: GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

Had the leak in the rear axle on our 2007 STS 'repaired' twice under warranty but it still leaks. Hopefully, this recall fixes the problem this time.
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Old 12-23-2007, 01:58 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Nope...most have had the pinions shimmed out incorrectly...causing undue wear...

R&P not sold, not are the carrier bearings!!!! You have to buy the whole diff!
Welcome to the "new" GM... OK to be fair this is a world wide thing... We don't fix anything anymore... everything is "outsourced" assemblies... Its never your fault... The outsource couldn't meet our quality standards...

OK my question is who agreed to outsource this in the first place?

I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that (from the point of view of the customer) recalls are a GOOD thing. It does not take rocket science to figure out the common problems each car has... From Mopar transaxels to Toyota sludge to Cadillac headgaskets...

What makes an automaker great these days is the ones who say... "Yup that design has issues, we stand behind our product and we want your business in the future" Of the three examples above only one maker said yes that was our mistake and we will make it right.

I'm Pro GM too, but not so blindly that I will agree that everything this company does is right... There are a few on this forum who have drunk a little too much "GM kool-aid".
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:12 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Re: GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

My 2004 CTS had that. Supposedly it's quite common on those diffs. When I mentioned it last year to my Caddy dealer all they said was: "Yup. No problem. Bring it in." They had it fixed in no time.

I noticed a bit of oil on the garage floor. From the look of where it was leaking it wouldn't be able to empty. The design is such that at worst it'd empty down to 2/3rds or 1/2, but not all the way.

Still, glad it got recalled so those less likely to notice don't get caught with a seized diff.
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Welcome to the "new" GM... OK to be fair this is a world wide thing... We don't fix anything anymore... everything is "outsourced" assemblies... Its never your fault... The outsource couldn't meet our quality standards...

OK my question is who agreed to outsource this in the first place?

I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that (from the point of view of the customer) recalls are a GOOD thing. It does not take rocket science to figure out the common problems each car has... From Mopar transaxels to Toyota sludge to Cadillac headgaskets...

What makes an automaker great these days is the ones who say... "Yup that design has issues, we stand behind our product and we want your business in the future" Of the three examples above only one maker said yes that was our mistake and we will make it right.

I'm Pro GM too, but not so blindly that I will agree that everything this company does is right... There are a few on this forum who have drunk a little too much "GM kool-aid".
Agree, bu what is the problem with Chrysler Transaxels? Anywho, i agree, but there are still things out there GM has yet to give attention too, and the distuerbing part with this one is that it took so long for them to do the recall.
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The STS uses the same rear diff, as does the GTO....however they aren't in the recall.
The GTO's diff is from Dana Australia... it's not used on any other GMNA vehicle...
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Re: GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

You know, if GM's entire fleet was FWD, this wouldn't have happened








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The GTO's diff is from Dana Australia... it's not used on any other GMNA vehicle...

Yes, you are correct..., my mistake!


but they fail just as frequent, hence my inclusion...
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Re: GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

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Welcome to the "new" GM... OK to be fair this is a world wide thing... We don't fix anything anymore... everything is "outsourced" assemblies... Its never your fault... The outsource couldn't meet our quality standards...

OK my question is who agreed to outsource this in the first place?

I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that (from the point of view of the customer) recalls are a GOOD thing. It does not take rocket science to figure out the common problems each car has... From Mopar transaxels to Toyota sludge to Cadillac headgaskets...

What makes an automaker great these days is the ones who say... "Yup that design has issues, we stand behind our product and we want your business in the future" Of the three examples above only one maker said yes that was our mistake and we will make it right.

I'm Pro GM too, but not so blindly that I will agree that everything this company does is right... There are a few on this forum who have drunk a little too much "GM kool-aid".
Actually this is nothing new for GM nor for Toyota nor Ford nor Chrysler.

I was a sole supplier to the Big 3 throughout the 80s and 90s on a variety of exposed and unexposed parts. There were two key responsibilities....
NEVER EVER run out of material....If you do you are responsible for any and all costs to replace that material.
If any recall is caused by defect in your material you the subcontractor/supplier are fully responsible for any and all recall costs.
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