GM to recall 275,936 cars in U.S. due to fluid leak

[TKR]

I am guessing here (since I have not actually seen these vehicles) but a diff will only sieze once it runs very low on lubrication. It will make a lot of noise for some time before this happens though. I guess they just use worst case scenarios here.

Holden used the BTR (Borg Warner) diffs in the Commodore for years and they were noisey and largely unreliable. For VE production they have shifted to a ZF design. These are nice and quiet and although it is early (only 13 or so months since SOP) they are so far reliable.

[steverino]

Originally Posted by Beau

Ok ok . Firstly. I am a through and through GM guy, I haven't liked many cars as of late at their price range so I'm not driving a GM at the moment but.. nevermind.

First and foremost. We all need to be f------ checking outselves for bashing the tundra for like 15k recalls, when this happens...

If your gonna bash the tundra, bash these vehicles diffs now..

This has been a LONG and on going problems. I've talked to so many people who could NOT get this rear end to stop leaking. How friggin hard is it to seal something for crying out loud. Crap-tastic design no doubt.

I could get two pieces of wood with no gasket to seal better than these diffs.


Sigh.

I AM thankful that GM did the right thing and will offer relief to these poor guys.

better yet, good ole duct tape

From reading these posts this sounds like it's been a problem for awhile, yet this is the first I've heard of it. GM please try to be a little proactive in the future when you see a problem

[Beau]

"Your under the impression that people bash the Tundra because of the recall. People bash it because it is a Toyota and it is trying to move in and take sales from GM. Oh and here is a little bit of info, this is a PRO GM NEWS SITE."

Dude, I've probably been reading this site longer than you have... I am also very pro GM, but in case you haven't realized this site seems to kinda flop with whichever way the wind is blowing.

For instance the Nissan GTR thread, if it were against any other car than the corvette, many members would be saying. SEeE I Know GM is a POS even Nissan out trumps blah blah... They'd say that based on the specs.

Then 4 months later there would be a thread that would say, the Nissan GTR competitor out does the Nissan in every category... THen this site would say, see I knew GM was the best, why can't all GM cars be this good.

I've actually been annoyed with some members and their wishy washiness as of late.

BUT, my point to the thread is, if you are going to be consistantly wishy washy, then hey, criticize where there some criticism is due. I.E. in this case having GM wait so long to take care of this issue, that I've encountered with friends of mine.

I mean honestly guys, this was something long overdue for attention, and if we are going to criticize Toyota or 2 bad camshafts, and 9 bad trannies ( obviously exaggerating ) then we should surely wring our shirt collars with a look of discomfort over our good ole friend the Foot in mouth shoe horn salesmen for yet another timely visit.

[psece]

Originally Posted by Beau

"Your under the impression that people bash the Tundra because of the recall. People bash it because it is a Toyota and it is trying to move in and take sales from GM. Oh and here is a little bit of info, this is a PRO GM NEWS SITE."

Dude, I've probably been reading this site longer than you have... I am also very pro GM, but in case you haven't realized this site seems to kinda flop with whichever way the wind is blowing.

For instance the Nissan GTR thread, if it were against any other car than the corvette, many members would be saying. SEeE I Know GM is a POS even Nissan out trumps blah blah... They'd say that based on the specs.

Then 4 months later there would be a thread that would say, the Nissan GTR competitor out does the Nissan in every category... THen this site would say, see I knew GM was the best, why can't all GM cars be this good.

I've actually been annoyed with some members and their wishy washiness as of late.

BUT, my point to the thread is, if you are going to be consistantly wishy washy, then hey, criticize where there some criticism is due. I.E. in this case having GM wait so long to take care of this issue, that I've encountered with friends of mine.

I mean honestly guys, this was something long overdue for attention, and if we are going to criticize Toyota or 2 bad camshafts, and 9 bad trannies ( obviously exaggerating ) then we should surely wring our shirt collars with a look of discomfort over our good ole friend the Foot in mouth shoe horn salesmen for yet another timely visit.

There have been times when this site was harder on GM some of general Auto sites out there. I think this site is one of the best fanboi sites in that we are much harder on GM. If search was working, I would link to the posts where the leaking diff was talked about on the CTS.

Do the same search on Sludge on a Toyota site and you would never get the same fairness. Secondly, in recalls, the General is doing incredible(10 days left and knocking on wood) this year and I think that should be celebrated.

As far as bashing, I would hope that GM would always be less bashed on a GM website. If not, it wouldn't be as enjoyable for the people that are fans of the home team.

Plus, you will never have strong consistency with groups of people, only individuals.

[doh]

I wouldn't call myself wishy washy, but criticism when needed can be a good thing.

I recall the 70's/80's when the Big Three had the attitude of, "You'll drive what we build, and like it"

While Toyonda actually listened to their customers. The first Camry, was well a joke and reminded me of the Pony. But they did improve them. A 1980 Toyota 4x4 was like riding in a 5 ton International, except it was a pile of dust in the driveway in 5 years. But they improved them.

This is the time when the Big 3 rested on their laurels. They too in the late 90's, have made great leaps in dependability, just look to the Malibu, 97-2003 was the "Most Improved vehicle of the year I believe 4 or 5 times.

Some would say, "So and so had a bigger recall to this year" or "Getrag built them, it is not GM's fault" (somewhat my way of looking at it) or "what a piece of #%$&, glad I don't own that brand.

But I believe we all make mistakes, what we do to correct them is the most important. So what if a rear end seal leaks, and causes that brake to lock up on stopping? First off it is the rear brakes not extremely dangerous IMO. But GM is fixing the problem.

Things GM have ignored recently, 3.4L intake gaskets, 5.3L piston slap, and others. Yes these are not safety related, but they would build loyalty, like I once had in the 80's.

[ZvetteGuy]

Well, the recall isn't officially going to take place until February... so, does that mean that GM won't consider it a recall for '07 but will count it for '08?! Hmmmm...

Too bad about the recall though... GM was doing so well and we were having so much fun at Toyo's expense...

[delmarjohn]

had my sts 2006 in for this about7months ago....it will show you ,if you diligent a few leak drops on the ground the dealership took about an hour to fix it....so far nothing on my srx...will keep you posted

[91 s-10baja]

I have an 04 CTS, how do they know if/when what diffs are good/bad?

[Chaz_23]

What Pontiac sedan is involved?

[Ambalanche]

Originally Posted by psece

Your under the impression that people bash the Tundra because of the recall. People bash it because it is a Toyota and it is trying to move in and take sales from GM. Oh and here is a little bit of info, this is a PRO GM NEWS SITE.

Not only that, but It's just not as good as the Silverado/Sierra!!! How 'bout that?!!

[Ambalanche]

Originally Posted by ZvetteGuy

Well, the recall isn't officially going to take place until February... so, does that mean that GM won't consider it a recall for '07 but will count it for '08?! Hmmmm...

Too bad about the recall though... GM was doing so well and we were having so much fun at Toyo's expense...

GM is still doing well, This is a hiccup, Toyo is just starting to trip up, watch and see.....

[Mischief007]

FINALLY!!! You hear on forums about these diff problems from customers. Now GM, get something better to replace it with.

And onto another question as a previous member asked. Is the 08 CTS using the same rear diff as the previous CTS cars?

[BwjWc6]

How ironic...I have already had that problem on our 06 CTS and was fixed about 6 months ago.

[JeffInDFW]

GM really needs to listen to the enthusiast sites. The Camaro guys knew the intake leaked on the LT1's for years before GM acknowledged it. Same with the unbalanced driveshafts on the Camaros.

Now, the Solstice/Sky guys and CTS sites have been complaining about the failing rearends for years. I had my Solstice pinion seal leak fixed and it became so noisy it was hard to drive the car on the highway. It gave you a headache. Pontiac dealer told me it was normal. Bull. Thankfully, it leaked again 4-5 months later, and this time I went to a different dealer, and let the thing burn the rear gears into the ground before taking it in so I could get a new set of rear gears. Instead, they replaced the entire rearend unit. Dead quiet and no leaks. I was about to sell the car because I honestly could not take the loud rearend WHINE. Now, its wonderful.

[stealthregal]

Originally Posted by Chaz_23

What Pontiac sedan is involved?

The article summary is not very descriptive. The only sedan in this is the CTS, the Saturn and Pontiac are roasters (Sky and Solstice).