Another Tundra Recall...

[dratnol]

After reading the moronic posts from tn, where was the tundra engineering done? I like how they pointed out who made the wheel hubs and steering columns, parts that haven't been troublesome and yet they gloss over the tailgates and transmissions (no supplier to blame there).

[sancapguy]

I love the people who defend and make excuses for Toyota about the Tundra.

Here's the Bottom Line:


The Tundra is marketed (or was) as a Premium Truck. It has outrageous commercials about dead weight, Hill climbing, Braking before cliff of death. (even though the sets were built with fords) Toyota as a company has more R&D dollars than the others combined.

Fact: The Tundra has flimsy frame, krylon dashboard, beercan tailgate, clunky overdrive and some weak components (outsourced of course).

The Excuse: The Tundra has a open frame to save weight and be more efficient. Bull.
GM Ford and Nissan use fully boxed frames. some trucks weigh more, some less.

Reason: Fully boxed is more expensive!! Toyota wanted more money in Japan.

The Excuse: The parts are failing because they are sourced from the US, Canada, North Pole.

BULL! The other truck companies use sourced parts from the US, (and they dont blame suppliers) once again toyota went frugal on the specs of those parts.

The Excuse: Tundra is assembled in Texas with American workers thats why it has wide panel gaps, shoddy fit/finish/ .

Other truck companies seem to assemble better built trucks in the US. ( some even Union)

BULL!! Narrow Panel Gaps cost money, Fit/Finish takes research. Toyota chose to put the money elsewhere (lexus) hoping the blue collar buyers wouldnt notice.


Toyota went CHEAP on the Tundra!! There is no Excuse!! The Richest Car Company in the World thought they could skimp. Its all Smoke and Mirrors.

Its hell being on top. Isn"t it Toyota?

[tgferg67]

Automakers noting suppliers in recalls is not uncommon.

Ford's investigation found that the manufacturer of the strap changed to a weaker grade of steel... Ford declined to disclose the supplier's identity.

Ford says a supplier put the wrong chemical on filter paper.

Chrysler said the supplier-related condition can only occur in certain limited situations.

[1931Chevy]

Originally Posted by tgferg67

Automakers noting suppliers in recalls is not uncommon.

Ford's investigation found that the manufacturer of the strap changed to a weaker grade of steel... Ford declined to disclose the supplier's identity.

Ford says a supplier put the wrong chemical on filter paper.

Chrysler said the supplier-related condition can only occur in certain limited situations.

The same goes with the Cruise Control switch from Ford

[ANT]

Originally Posted by sancapguy

I love the people who defend and make excuses for Toyota about the Tundra.

Here's the Bottom Line:


The Tundra is marketed (or was) as a Premium Truck. It has outrageous commercials about dead weight, Hill climbing, Braking before cliff of death. (even though the sets were built with fords) Toyota as a company has more R&D dollars than the others combined.

Fact: The Tundra has flimsy frame, krylon dashboard, beercan tailgate, clunky overdrive and some weak components (outsourced of course).

The Excuse: The Tundra has a open frame to save weight and be more efficient. Bull.
GM Ford and Nissan use fully boxed frames. some trucks weigh more, some less.

Reason: Fully boxed is more expensive!! Toyota wanted more money in Japan.

The Excuse: The parts are failing because they are sourced from the US, Canada, North Pole.

BULL! The other truck companies use sourced parts from the US, (and they dont blame suppliers) once again toyota went frugal on the specs of those parts.

The Excuse: Tundra is assembled in Texas with American workers thats why it has wide panel gaps, shoddy fit/finish/ .

Other truck companies seem to assemble better built trucks in the US. ( some even Union)

BULL!! Narrow Panel Gaps cost money, Fit/Finish takes research. Toyota chose to put the money elsewhere (lexus) hoping the blue collar buyers wouldnt notice.


Toyota went CHEAP on the Tundra!! There is no Excuse!! The Richest Car Company in the World thought they could skimp. Its all Smoke and Mirrors.

Its hell being on top. Isn"t it Toyota?

well said... toyota is going to start feeling the heat from its own arrogance... i for one am quite happy

[AkSean]

Now I see why all you guys were jumping in the street for joy YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it's time to party!!!!!!!

[BusyBody]

Originally Posted by AkSean

Now I see why all you guys were jumping in the street for joy YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it's time to party!!!!!!!

Be careful and put on a bib before you eat your cake. Don't forget your goody bag bag on the way out.

[AkSean]

Originally Posted by BusyBody

Be careful and put on a bib before you eat your cake. Don't forget your goody bag bag on the way out.

I know but this cake taste soooooooooooooooo good right now!!!

[AkSean]

Originally Posted by sancapguy

I love the people who defend and make excuses for Toyota about the Tundra.



The Excuse: The Tundra has a open frame to save weight and be more efficient. Bull.
GM Ford and Nissan use fully boxed frames. some trucks weigh more, some less.

Reason: Fully boxed is more expensive!! Toyota wanted more money in Japan.

If this is true then why is it that GM, and Ford ONLY use a fully boxed frame on their half-ton trucks????? Why do GM, and Ford use a C-channel, or reinforced C-channel frame on anything over a half-ton????? Puzzling isn't it?

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by BusyBody

Be careful and put on a bib before you eat your cake. Don't forget your goody bag bag on the way out.

Probably more like knee pads and a lobster bid , but hey , whatever works or makes them feel better ....... .

Speaking of feeling better , and this would be in regards to Motortrends staff and anyone whose an owner and been concerned about all the various quality issues I guess we're out of the woods now ..... right ?

I mean no need to worry that part of the explanation concerning why there have been so many problems had anything to do with the WSJ article from 2006 which referenced the Tundra development period ...right?

WALL STREET JOURNAL 25AUGUST2006 ( Huge article length and scope - need subscription now. This less than 4% of word count )

Toyota May Delay New Models
To Address Rising Quality Issues

By NORIHIKO SHIROUZU
August 25 , 2006 Page A1

Toyota Motor Corp., jarred by a surge of recalls and quality problems, ........

.......... over the past three decades, and the soaring number of recalls has been highly embarrassing for its management . At a news conference last month, Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe offered an elaborate apology.

"I take this seriously and see it as a crisis," Mr. Watanabe said. He then bowed deeply in front of the cameras, adding, "I want to apologize deeply for the troubles we have caused."...........

................The ( flawed ) strategy called for engineers to pump out more vehicles to fuel the company's growth around the world. Product-development bosses kept engineers on tight launch schedules. Toyota also began relying more heavily on computer-aided design tools to radically compress vehicle-development times by skipping steps such as making physical prototypes to test components .

Using these high-tech tools, Toyota cut new-model development time to as short as about two years -- compared with three or four years in the past. According to officials at the Toyota product-development and engineering center in Ann Arbor, Mich., virtual-engineering tools have helped the company slash the number of prototypes it builds per project to fewer than 20 from 60 . ......

.......But the new approach, which allowed its main advocate Yoshio Shirai, a senior managing director, to gain a seat on Toyota's board, is now suspected of contributing to the recent rash of embarrassing quality glitches.......

.......Additionally, Toyota executives and engineers say, some mistakes are happening because computer-aided engineering tools have limitations that allow potential design flaws to slip through.......

.......A slowdown would follow a set of actions announced by the company after the Japanese government's reprimand of its recall policies. In a report submitted to the government, Toyota said it would upgrade a new data network for sharing technical information and product-quality reports from customers in order to handle recalls more efficiently. It also will increase staff at its quality-control headquarters.......

Earlier this year, Mr. Watanabe named two executive vice presidents -- including Akio Toyoda , a scion of the auto conglomerate's founding family -- as quality chiefs to oversee various initiatives for building more quality into components and vehicle design.......
( Of important note ; previous job duties listed include China and INTERNET ( Worldwide - think about that ....... )

........Inside the company, spending more time doing quality-assurance tests on new and redesigned cars under development is seen as vital to regaining control of quality, say individuals close to the matter........ ( So what happened to the 2007 camry and Tundra ? )

.......By delaying introductions of some products, Toyota would conduct more quality checks on components and, in some cases, create more prototypes to make sure thousands of parts and systems that comprise a typical car work as intended and verify their durability, these people say..........
( Oh , I see . GREAT JOB . Please accelerate development of the H.D.s.)


.........Toyota also is accelerating ( better check the battery first - and the oil , and the at, and the tc and the driveshaft and the ...... ) an application of what it describes as "preventive engineering" -- an approach the auto maker has been implementing since the late 1990s to forecast problem areas based on engineering knowledge accumulated over the years and using extra caution in designing those areas.........

.....The approach is based on the idea that most components of today's cars are proven technologies, and that most problems occur when, for example, engineers combine two or more parts to create a component system. Toyota engineers focus most of their attention on those "interface" areas to predict problems that might develop. ( Well .... , I bet they sure do now )


........conscious change" in the way it handles recalls in the wake of a painful scandal involving an alleged coverup of vehicle defects by Japan's Mitsubishi Motors Corp. a few years ago, which crippled sales and drove Mitsubishi to the brink of collapse.

"We used to do quiet recalls called 'service campaigns' to deal with many defects, but we're not going to hide anything any more , " said one senior engineer. " Most of the known defects and issues are now handled through recalls."

....................... pace of new-model launches -- and pressure to keep product launches on schedule -- has given rise to what another senior engineer calls " bonehead " mistakes........

..........In Japan this year, for instance, Toyota discovered it had made the rear axle of one sport-utility vehicle with the material used for another SUV. Designs for the two rear axles are almost identical, but the metal materials used to produce them are different enough that mixing the parts up caused concern over the strength of the axle. A Toyota spokesman said there was a question of the strength of the axle but declined to elaborate .


I'm sure that true delta addresses all this somewhere and now that Motortrend has named the Tundra 2008 TOY we can forget this article , including all the points not covered here .

[roteague]

Originally Posted by AkSean

Now I see why all you guys were jumping in the street for joy YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it's time to party!!!!!!!

Which basically means nothing.

Do the comparisons:

Turda - To date issues: cracking tailgates, broken camshafts, bad torque converters, broken drive shafts, poor paint job. Lower residual value than the competition.

GMT-900 - No issues reported to date.

(and of course, there is a hybrid GMT-900 coming, can't say that for the Turda).

Reality, the GMT-900 stacks up to be a much better truck, regardless what those idiots at MT think.

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by AkSean

Now I see why all you guys were jumping in the street for joy YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it's time to party!!!!!!!

The truck won on significance alone. it didn't compete with any other 1/2 ton, the rest of the field was the GM HD trucks and the Ford Super Duty. It's not even close to the best truck out there, but it is very significant, and certainly more-so than the HD and SD versions from 2 of the Big 3. Funny how the Tundra didn't make it out for sale in the 2006 calander year, if it had (and I think it was initially supposed to), it would have gone up against the GMT900s and would have lost. Oh and before you fill up on cake, did you happen to read Motor Trend's little disclaimer...

(EDITOR'S NOTE: Testing, judging, and story for the February 2008 issue of Motor Trend were completed and printed before the latest safety recall involving 15,600 2007 Tundras to correct a potential driveshaft issue)

[Stew]

SAmmit, i wanted to post the editors note ROFL. I'd take ANY of the big 3 or the Titan over the Tundra ANYDAY.

[marinerbc]

Originally Posted by AkSean

Now I see why all you guys were jumping in the street for joy YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it's time to party!!!!!!!

Oh. you mean the "Miss Congeniality Award".

Everybody knows how SHE turned out, don't we?

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Stew

SAmmit, i wanted to post the editors note ROFL. I'd take ANY of the big 3 or the Titan over the Tundra ANYDAY.

I wonder how many (if any) other *vehicle* of the Year winners Motor Trend has had to put such an ominous EDITOR'S NOTE: after...