Someone Has to Say It.

[TahoeMikeZ71]

The midsized car segment is the most competitive segment and the worlds largest automaker will let us have the tired fugly Malibu for 3 more years

No we don't. There is a refreshed Malibu coming out in 2008. Same time as the new Cobalt comes out.

[knightfan26917]

Originally Posted by Swahili

GM can make it through on their own, it’s a question of time. Well General Motors, the time is now. And to be blunt, I leave you with this: I would rather see General Motors stand alone and make a gargantuan effort to reclaim it’s undisputed title as number one in the world and fail, than to ally with Nissan-Renault and get sucked dry by arrogant investors with too much time and money on their hands trying to make a buck.

*nods*

Agreed ... and great article, Swahili!


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[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by TAHOE LT

No we don't. There is a refreshed Malibu coming out in 2008. Same time as the new Cobalt comes out.

Not counting the steering wheel change and the grille change the car has been on the market 4 years (2004-2007), also the 2008 Malibu is still an EP 1 car. When I see a Delta II Cobalt (and Astra, G5, 9-1, etc...) I'll be happy.

[PeterPuck]

Originally Posted by GM-Joe

I'm on your team, that is how I think. I don't need anyone else's help, I'm a hard working sob and if i can't do it no one can.

One other thing, people claim GM is old and stale and their vehicles are gas guzlers, well look at Toyota, their whole line is about as fresh as a Fog Hat concert and as stylish as a Member's Only jacket. People only buy those Toyota's because of status and ignorance.

And because they traditionally go for hundreds of thousands of miles with very few repairs.

And because GMs traditionally don't.

And because you rarely meet a Toyota owner that has nothing but good things to say about his car.

And because we all know of many GM owners who were taken to the poorhouse by poor quality and lack of dealer concern.

Face it. There are good reasons for people to buy a Toyota. And there are good reasons for people NOT to buy a GM. It looks like it's changing but it might be too late.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

And because they traditionally go for hundreds of thousands of miles with very few repairs.

And because GMs traditionally don't.

And because you rarely meet a Toyota owner that has nothing but good things to say about his car.

And because we all know of many GM owners who were taken to the poorhouse by poor quality and lack of dealer concern.

Face it. There are good reasons for people to buy a Toyota. And there are good reasons for people NOT to buy a GM. It looks like it's changing but it might be too late.

Classic Puck post, you've just exemplified ignorance in the 1st two statements, and the 3rd is the caused by people who will still claim the Toyota is great even if it's in the shop every other week. The 4th statement holds some water (dealers have been known to be jerks).

But the simple fact is, you are retarded. No problem though, you can be.

[FireFox89]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

And because they traditionally go for hundreds of thousands of miles with very few repairs.

And because GMs traditionally don't.

Ahem *burst out in laughter* man have you checked the MASSIVE toyota recalls lately, ignorant one??? Like as toyota expands like a weed to push the great jolly giant over, they will miss things that if they were a smaller company they would of noticed, thats why toyotas were far more reliable back then, b/c they were a far smaller company and they could fix the kinks. Now that theyre on 8 mil a yr i think cracks are appearing (as in like would a big dam). Toyota might be going though the growing pains, well like gm went though. See gms production hasnt overly grown or shrunk, its more stuck in idle and well gm can address some of the problems now.

[Ty_99]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

And because you rarely meet a Toyota owner that has nothing but good things to say about his car.

That is because they are all given Toyota Kool-Aid at the dealers, which has allowed Toyota to brainwash them into thinking Toyota is God, and can do no wrong.

[PeterPuck]

Originally Posted by FireFox89

Ahem *burst out in laughter* man have you checked the MASSIVE toyota recalls lately, ignorant one??? Like as toyota expands like a weed to push the great jolly giant over, they will miss things that if they were a smaller company they would of noticed, thats why toyotas were far more reliable back then, b/c they were a far smaller company and they could fix the kinks. Now that theyre on 8 mil a yr i think cracks are appearing (as in like would a big dam). Toyota might be going though the growing pains, well like gm went though. See gms production hasnt overly grown or shrunk, its more stuck in idle and well gm can address some of the problems now.

I don't get your logic.

You're telling me that I'm ignorant because I'm claiming that Toyota's quality has been good in the past, causing people to trust them more.

But then you're telling me "Just wait 'till Toyota becomes the biggest kid on the block".

You make no sense. Was GM's quality better in the past because Toyota may face some growing pains in the future? Was Toyota's quality worse because they may face some growing pains?

You make as much sense as plastic intake manifold gaskets.

[GMCSonoma]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

You make as much sense as plastic intake manifold gaskets.

Ever have a TMS engine apart? Didn't think so...


edit: crippled fingers

[GMCSonoma]

Good article Swahili...you are sure a great benefit here on GMI!

[Ach]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

I don't get your logic.

You're telling me that I'm ignorant because I'm claiming that Toyota's quality has been good in the past, causing people to trust them more.

But then you're telling me "Just wait 'till Toyota becomes the biggest kid on the block".

You make no sense. Was GM's quality better in the past because Toyota may face some growing pains in the future? Was Toyota's quality worse because they may face some growing pains?

You make as much sense as plastic intake manifold gaskets.

You tell him. Makes about as much sense as a V6 that turns oil into sludge.

[PeterPuck]

Originally Posted by GMCSonoma

Ever have a TMS engine apart? Didn't think so...


edit: crippled fingers

No.

But next time I make a post that compares Toyota to GM favourably, keep in mind that I am suggesting that Toyota has never, ever designed anything that is faulty.




Edit - for the record, I think Toyota makes overrated, bland cars that I would never buy.

It's the truth, but I shouldn't need this as a disclaimer.

I should also mention that there is a puddle of antifreeze underneath my Pontiac Montana as we speak.

[Ty_99]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

No.

But next time I make a post that compares Toyota to GM favourably, keep in mind that I am suggesting that Toyota has never, ever designed anything that is faulty.

Umm what about the Scion Glass roof right now? A lot of there faulty designs are coming out of the woodwork. Toyota isn't as innocent as they appear. Yes they have quality products. But to say they have never had a faulty designed is far from the truth.

[GMCSonoma]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

No.

But next time I make a post that compares Toyota to GM favourably, keep in mind that I am suggesting that Toyota has never, ever designed anything that is faulty.



Edit - for the record, I think Toyota makes overrated, bland cars that I would never buy.

It's the truth, but I shouldn't need this as a disclaimer.

Right...

[PeterPuck]

Originally Posted by Ty_99

Umm what about the Scion Glass roof right now? A lot of there faulty designs are coming out of the woodwork. Toyota isn't as innocent as they appear. Yes they have quality products. But to say they have never had a faulty designed is far from the truth.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.

I know very well that Toyota has built crap in the past, and builds less-than-perfect stuff today.

But I also know that owners are generally happier with Toyotas than with GMs. If you guys want to believe that this is because of "brainwashing", go right ahead.