Pontiac: Start Making Sense

[nadepalma]

Well stated. I just hope that Pontiac can get their act together.

[JonathanRohr]

Originally Posted by Driveshaft

Hear hear!

The Titanic begins to turn...

The titanic realized the problem too late, turned too slow, and sank.

There has to be a better analogy, lol.

Stupid girl wouldnt even share the door...

[Tethys]

Ghrankenstein, great write up! I enjoyed it thoroughly.

WildGMFan - blaming Saturn for Olds' demise and now Pontiac's dearth of original product is taking the easy way out. Pontiac's downhill run started in the 80s. "We Build Excitement" and we give you the Fiero? Nowadays its the G5 carrying the banner of mediocrity. Joy. To save Pontiac, it needs to be all-RWD and all-performance. No commuter cars, no subcompacts, no small station wagons and no Azteks.

Saturn had a plan to add models so that by the mid-1990s it would have a larger sedan, a 2-seater, a small SUV and a minivan to add to its original small car, sound familiar? Maybe like its current lineup, only a decade later than planned? You can thank GM's decision to focus on SUVs in the 90s, which denied Saturn the funds to expand and in part, helped to allow the other divisions to exact revenge on the subsidiary as Saturn's products withered on the vine.

[Firebird00]

I think you nailed it with "Chevrolet Jr.". For too long Pontiac has had to suffer with Chevrolet hand-me-downs. Pontiac is the brand in jeopardy right now at GM. Being a long time Pontiac fan, its painful to see it decay like it has while other less deserving brands (Saturn) are given whatever they want (as in there version of the Solstice).

I find it amazing how thousands see the problems going on within Pontiac, yet the management seems to be blind to these problems. Pontiac needs a modern day John DeLorean to help get its act together. If that means pissing in Chevrolets wheaties, then so be it. Pontiac needs all performance cars. No Vibe, no Torrent, no minivan, etc.. No stopgaps like G5. No void fillers like that dumbed down GTO from 04-06. Like I've said before, the Solstice is the only vehicle Pontiac has done right since 2002.

[iluvcamaros]

Originally Posted by JonathanRohr

Stupid girl wouldnt even share the door...

Funny!

Took me a half second though.

[VibenPontiac]

How refreshing to hear some clear concise thoughts. We all seem to be nit picking at all the little things on this car or the other (probably a good thing for GM really ) that some of the bigger picture seems to have been lost.

Thanks for reminding us that not everything is fixed at our beloved GM yet. Nice write up Ghrankenstein

[kmtowns]

I remember when everybody thought the G6 was the savior for pontiac when it was a concept. What happened? Now everybody's calling it a failure!

[Driveshaft]

Originally Posted by JonathanRohr

The titanic realized the problem too late, turned too slow, and sank.

There has to be a better analogy, lol.

Stupid girl wouldnt even share the door...

Okay bad analogy. But still, I see a bright light very close, GM's well on its way to a glorious comeback I think. Just hope these halo cars have a trickling effect on the rest of the lineups, but so far, that seems to be exactly what's happening.

[DemonKnightDK]

The fiero was awesome.. had it been given the right engine.. before they canned it Pontiac was working on a GTP version using the 190HP quad4 IIRC.. looked bad ass too...

The Vibe could be a good rally wagon, it just needs AWD and 300 turbo HP.

The G6 could be awesome with AWD and 300HP from the 3.6 or even the HF2.8 with a turbo

the Solstice is going fine as is.

Grand Prix/G8- call it tempest, 300HP DI 3.6 base, 350HP Turbo 3.6 425HP 6.2L AFM

GTO: Coupe of the tempest, only add the judge package; a supercharger
making 520HP.

make Pontiac basically destroy whatever Nissan, Mazda, ect. are trying to do.

Make Buick whoop Lexus/Mercedes.

[LeSabre]

Hmmm....A Pontiac Vibe to crash the party between Subaru(Impreza WRX/STi) & Mitsubishi(Lancer Evolution X), I think would be a cool idea!

The Solstice just refreshened a couple years before either a redesign or equal replacement.

I think the G6 should be the Tempest.

The Grand Prix should remain the Grand Prix w/the GTO being its 2dr counterpart.

[stevecmh]

Mazdaspeed vs. SRT vs. GXP sounds great

[Ultimate1]

all i know is that its been a few years since gm claimed it would turn pontiac into gm's BMW and Buick into gm's Lexus....... so far it hasnt even gotten close for either brand.

[stevews602]

Let's hope GM get their act togather with Pontiac soon, they cannot leave it like it is too much longer...

To start things off Pontiac needs asap:
RWD Grand Prix 4 door and GTO 2 door.
Firebird
Kill the brain dead G6, G5, etc names....

[Jkujo]

Originally Posted by VibenPontiac

How refreshing to hear some clear concise thoughts. We all seem to be nit picking at all the little things on this car or the other (probably a good thing for GM really ) that some of the bigger picture seems to have been lost.

Thanks for reminding us that not everything is fixed at our beloved GM yet. Nice write up Ghrankenstein

And People in other threads wonder why the Pontiac faithful are always begging to see something from our brand, finally! If we just stand pat then nothing will be done. We have to send a message loud and clear that we want better! I want a Firebird, in black with the Screaming Chicken in Gold on the hood. 450 HP and 6 speed Manual. Build me something that makes girls want the guy driving the car again. We want hood scoops! We want our Pontiac Division back! If Buick can put stinkin Ports on the side panels why can't we get our Heritage cue of Hood Scoops on everything?!!

Clearly Pontiac should get better than the watered down junk they force on us. Thank you for the write up. Like I stated earlier, it hit the nail right on the head.

[killerrd2]

Ghrank, you're right on the money.

GM, please place Pontiac in the forefront of performance!

Truly commit to the beater/eater of BMW's!

PLEASE!