NSAP Rants: New Silverado Opinions

[kool_zx3]

Originally Posted by CodyZ71

Thanks, I do plan on keeping it till it dies lol... 123,4xx on it now but still runs fine. I put TYC headlights on it with HID's two weeks ago, now I really like it.



As requested by the mods/admins here is the LINK ONLY to the chop of the 07 silverado single cab
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...7silvstock.jpg

Didn't know TYC made HID's for it, just might look to see if they make some for the Ranger

[kool_zx3]

Originally Posted by M_RABID

Tell it like it is.
Fords use of hydroforming frames came after GM. Ford "mimicked" GM.
Ford sold just under 901,500 full size trucks last year.
GM sold just over 939,500 full size trucks last year- excluding Cadillac.
Chevy + GMC > Ford Motor Company.


And the New Silverado is nice...
but WAIT until you see the new Sierra!

GM mimicked other companies by hydroforming..... It's not something new GM started with... only in trucks.

Now we can say GM copied ford after boxing the whole frame.... It's a never ending circle, everyone copies everyone.

[paul8488]

Originally Posted by kool_zx3

It's a never ending circle

That it is. And it feels like it will never end...

[kool_zx3]

Originally Posted by SUPERBADD75

first of all, Ford is every bit as guilty of selling volume due to incentives as GM is. secondly, 200,000 trucks could be made up with the redesign. GM has been selling the same truck since 1999, what makes you think there won't be a surge in sales similar to that which has happened with the newly redesigned Tahoe? Ford has held their sales title for so long because of incentives and fleet sales, the same thing that Ford fans torch GM for doing. with both companies scaling back their incentives supposedly, and the introduction of GM's new, more competitive trucks, the playing field should even out considerably. you Ford guys sure do get sensitive when it comes to talking about Chevy even approaching Ford in truck sales. nobody knows what the public's reaction will be to the new Silverado, but Chevy's got a lot to offer, and there are a lot of sales to be had out there. not to mention the fact that another diesel blunder like the 6.0L Powerstroke could chase a lot of Ford guys away. all i'm really saying is that acting like Ford's F-Series sales are untouchable is rather naive. combined GM truck sales are higher than Ford's numbers, with the new trucks Chevy alone could certainly make a run at it.

You mean to tell me Chevrolet can gain 200,000 truck buyers with this one redesign... hmmm ok then

Back in 99 Chevy couldn't break ford, couldn't break them in early 90's, couldn't in the 80's and so on.... Truck buyers are very loyal and won't just jump ship because chevy has a new truck. Some of you guys are way to optimistic. GM will gain sales from nissan and Dodge, not suck 100,000 sales from Ford.... Trying to get a Ford guy to buy a chevy truck is like trying to get a camry buyer into a kia.

Looking at silverado sales the last 5 years the highest it's been i think is like 710,000 sales in a year....

Ford truck sales are not untouchable but chevrolet will NOT outsell Ford, plain and simple.... when i am right in a few years, maybe you will admit you were wrong . GM will outsell ford but not chevy itself. I think even GM knows this is's almost impossible. Ask bob lutz and ask him if it's possible for chevy to beat ford in truck sales, even he will say no.

Tahoe sales are up because their inflated with gmt 800 sales being given away due to the gmt 900's being out.... once gmt 800's are gone then we can see how well the tahoe will do.

Truck fleet sales, sure ford sells alot but GM sells much more to fleets, as fleet sales have indicated in the past.

The 6.4L powerstroke i think will be much better this time, Ford and International will make sure of it.

Chevrolet in itself has not touched 800,000 sales EVER as far as i can tell.... This isn't some magical year, GM went to far with the design and seems to upset alot of current silverado owners and will not buy the upcoming one....
Plus the new super duty comes in the spring, Before the gmt 900's HD's... (i think) so the time frame and way ford and GM are releasing vehicles, Chevy doesn't stand a chance.

[SUPERBADD75]

Originally Posted by paul8488

That it is. And it feels like it will never end...

of course not. it's just like anything else out there. everyone has unique ideas, and it leads to other companies copying their ideas, and it just goes on forever. for example, my 1986 Mustang doesn't have one single cupholder in it. anywhere. i used to use the console as a cupholder when it was my daily driver! in contrast, my TrailBlazer has 5 (i think, 3 front and 2 rear) and my wife's Accord has 8! every automaker has to one-up the others now, and it's only good for the consumer. it does get ridiculous a little, but in some ways it works out great.

[VetteZ06]

Originally Posted by kool_zx3

My opinion....

Just making sure.

[paul8488]

Originally Posted by SUPERBADD75

of course not. it's just like anything else out there. everyone has unique ideas, and it leads to other companies copying their ideas, and it just goes on forever. for example, my 1986 Mustang doesn't have one single cupholder in it. anywhere. i used to use the console as a cupholder when it was my daily driver! in contrast, my TrailBlazer has 5 (i think, 3 front and 2 rear) and my wife's Accord has 8! every automaker has to one-up the others now, and it's only good for the consumer. it does get ridiculous a little, but in some ways it works out great.

I wasn't talking about copying ideas, though...

but yes, you're right. The oneupmanship game is healthy, for the most part, and is the reason we have some pretty awesome options today!

Gets me thinking of some of GMs original ideas (or at least ones they brought back to life recently), such as Quadrasteer, NightVision, and Heads Up Display. None seemed to catch on, but I'm glad they're continually innovating.

[VetteZ06]

Originally Posted by kool_zx3

Tahoe sales are up because their inflated with gmt 800 sales being given away due to the gmt 900's being out....

Pure conjecture on your part. I don't think I've seen any hard evidence to attest to this "fact" that you've repeated about 10,000 times. Please provide us with some proof, other than just heresay.

Originally Posted by kool_zx3

Chevrolet in itself has not touched 800,000 sales EVER as far as i can tell.... This isn't some magical year.... Plus the new super duty comes in the spring, Before the gmt 900's HD's... (i think) so the way ford and Gm are releasing vehicles, Chevy doesn't stand a chance.

I think about 99% of us realize that Chevrolet alone is probably never going to outsell Ford when it comes to pickup trucks. As long as the Sierra is around, it's highly unlikely. In terms truck sales as a whole for FoMoCo and GM, however, I think we all know who comes out on top.

[kool_zx3]

Originally Posted by VetteZ06

Pure conjecture on your part. I don't think I've seen any hard evidence to attest to this "fact" that you've repeated about 10,000 times. Please provide us with some proof, other than just heresay.



I think about 99% of us realize that Chevrolet alone is probably never going to outsell Ford when it comes to pickup trucks. As long as the Sierra is around, it's highly unlikely. In terms truck sales as a whole for FoMoCo and GM, however, I think we all know who comes out on top.

The most the new tahoe in a month have sold so far is 11,000 units..... the rest is gmt 800 models. Go look at sales charts....

[hymeballs]

Much like the last change for the silverado I didnt take to it at first look. But a day later I think I might buy one. In person I think it will look better ,also I hate red for autos. I had a 2002 and traded it in for a 2004 , which I hated the tail lights and hood at first. Looks like I'm getting a new truck this year!

[gmlifer]

Chevy may sell 700,000 to Ford's 900,000 but when you add roughly 200,000 GMC they are closer than you think. I think they did a great job on the new Silverado. It stays with Chevy's current styling theme as seen in the Impala and Tahoe and adds some classic look that reminds you of the popular 1967 C/K and the popular grill look of the 94-97 S-10.
A new modern look with a little classic Chevy baked in.

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by kool_zx3

The most the new tahoe in a month have sold so far is 11,000 units..... the rest is gmt 800 models. Go look at sales charts....

The GMT-900s are new and the GMT-800s are on discount so what would you have expected.

[Ty_99]

Do u think Fords F-150 Sales would be so high if they had a second truck line selling a similar truck? If GM didn't have both GMC and Chev, I am willing to bet the numbers would be alot closer, and maybe Ford wouldn't be the sales king for a single name plate in Trucks

[Ty_99]

Originally Posted by kool_zx3

Clearly you havn't seen Ford's new lineup....

MKX, MKZ, Expedition, Superduty, F150, Edge, MKS, Navigator, 500, Fusion, Escape, all the Mercury cars will be all new or being redesigned in the next 2 years... Plus more coming in the next 3-4

Ohh No, it's not rosy at all

First off Mercury is only successful downsouth, up in Canada they pulled the model out do to lack of sales. Lincoln being a luxury brand that is content on being the same level as Buick, rather then try to take on the luxury cars of the world, something that Cadillac is looking to do. 500 hasn't been nearly as good as what Ford hoped,
If it wasn't for the Mustang and the Truck line up, Ford would be in alot worse position. The Fusion/Milan/Lincoln counterpart (sorry not sure what MK one it is, possibly a bad marketing move on Fords part) has been a bright light for them, but it is still early in its life cycle, will be interesting to see how it holds up. And how many times has the Expedition been closed to becoming axed now? Exciting, hardly, least in my view. But hey, u are a Ford guy, they are your brand, I am a GM guy.



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