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3.5 Liter V6
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
It's all about the bottom line. GM doesn't make any where near as much on a car sale as most of their foreign competitors, and one place where that lack of profit shows up is in the advertising budget. Extra costs per car built mean fewer dollars that can be spent on ads. Honda can afford to advertise the Accord for years after it comes out. They can afford to put together ad hoc ads whenever they get an award or recognition. GM can't. So they restrict the ads to where they are most desparately needed or can be most afforded, on new, unfamiliar models, and on high volume/profit models (aka trucks). It isn't that they decided not to do more advertising. They just can't afford it unless they find a way to slash costs (i.e. by outsourcing all manufacturing to South America and Korea) or slash brands and nameplates.
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
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I'm not a marketing expert, so I cannot speak intelligently to the cause of the behavior. I do wonder if there would be negatives to advertising aging vehicles-and let's face it, there are some old vehicles sitting on more than one automaker's lots. I also wonder if it stems from more practical concerns: newer vehicles need to recover their heavy investments, and the best time to do that in most cases is peri-launch. And would heavy advertisement of older vehicles, particularly those that have recovered their initial investment, be done to the detriment of profits; would it become an issue of diminishing returns? Based on that, and again based on my novice understanding of advertising, I simply don't know. I do hope that those in the know know! |
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Texas
Drives: Long Time Chevy Driver
Posts: 651
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
How many of you have seen "Your______Chevy Dealers" (or Hummer, Pontiac etc) in your local papers or TV?
What GM has done with this dealer groups is to move hundreds of millions of dollars from their balance sheet to local dealers. These local groups vote to withhold a certain amount (.50% - 2%) of the MSRP which goes to support local advertising. GM matches 25%....but that means GM gets $ 1.00 of brand advertising for every 25c invested. Such a deal.
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,195
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
1. Somebody called it: Brand Advertising. That is what they need to focus on.
Individual models are alright, but I would rather they did more brand advertising--and in more creative, non-media ways. 2. GM needs to get people into their cars. Test drives, malls--whatever it is, they need to get people to look at them. In many markets, people have never even heard or seen them. |
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Caveville, Neanderthallande
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
I agree with you, Ming.
I see few GM ads where I live, in the inland northwest. What I do see is terminally forgettable. Or maybe I DO see lots, and just forget them immediately... IMHO about 90 percent of GM's ads just plain suck. My Perfect Storm example of a car introduction with the most pathetic advertising campaign is the Lucerne with its silly, silly, thilly heated washer fluid drivel. Those were memorable ads, but for all the wrong reasons. GM's strategy sucks and their tactics suck. So is it surprising they're not winning? When the GM brain trust appears to think that changing car model names is a better strategy than making better cars, who is surprised that their ad campaigns are laughable? Apparently only management. It's not that they don't have enough money. Their ads have sucked for years. Ad agencies are IMO way overrated and way way overpaid. GM should cut loose all their ad agencies, and generate ads internally for two years. Reward success and reassign the failures. This would save half the budget, and management might accidentally discover that GM has many people with enormous talent who don't hang out on the top floor going to frikkin meetings, which apparently consist largely of hatching new model names, and having press conferences all the time. ![]()
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
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LeSabre. Lucerne. Century, Regal. LaCrosse. In 2012 it will be _______. Pontiac 6000STE. Pontiac Bonneville. Pontiac G8. Is there a problem here? ![]()
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3.8 Liter V6
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 374
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
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Chevrolet also needs to work on there seasonal add campaigns. I loved there "Baseball, Hotdogs, Apple pie & Chevrolet" campaign but the rest of the year the adds aren’t very compelling. The Mpg ads are a good start but they just don't have any pop to them. GM dose have some good ad campaigns though including; Cadillac, Saturn, Hummer and Denali. I think this was started by having good products that GM and there marketing people actually want to promote. GM also needs to know its non mainstream brands can use ads that are less mainstream. Buick and Pontiac I am looking at you. |
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6.0 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: pittsburgh
Drives: 1969 Chevy El Camino
2004 GMC Canyon
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
Blitz and done is absolutely the worst method in the industry. I have not seen the Colorado advertised since 2004, and my Canyon? Please. Blitz and maintain. Follow the Toyota Tacoma model. Absolutely the best run of auto advertisements I've ever seen.
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,971
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
GM's advertising is lacking. They advertise a new product and then it seems like it almost disappears. More advertising is going to promote even current models better and perhaps increase sales.
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6.0 Liter LS2 V8
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
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Also, remember that Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, and so forth have much fewer models than GM. So this month GM advertises the Aura, next month the new Malibu, then a refresh on the LaCrosse, then the G6, then the Impala, then the Aura... and Toyota just keeps banging away this month Camry, next month Camry, the following month Camry, Camry, Camry, Camry out the ears. So not only does the Camry have a 20+ year name history, it also has 20+ years of constant advertising. The GM names come and go, and even the ones that stick around for a few generations only have a few months' worth of total advertisement time. |
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
there are a few products that GM really doesnt advertise for .. Does that mean they dont think they are good enought to keep dumping money into the ads for those cars?
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5.3 Liter LS4 V8
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,581
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
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GM needs to market their vehicles better regardless of how old they are!
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: In front of my computer
Drives: 2006 HHR
2002 Corolla-Before I saw the light
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
I think Cadillac especially the CTS is the only one that GM has consistently poured money into. And the results show.
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3.9 Liter V6
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 960
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
As others have mentioned, good advertising costs money. When you have as many divisions as GM, the money is is not available to spend on all of the cars. This leads to spending money on the more profitable cars like trucks and Caddys.
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: GM's "Once and Done" Advertising
According to this, http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...hoe&topic_set= GM's ad budget is about $3 billion per year.
From my view, it looks like the scores of MBAs in advertising are reaching the dilution-to-ineffectiveness level, just as the scores of MBAs in management are. Time to look less at the degree, and more at the brain of the potential employee or contract help. THE TIMES, THEY ARE A-CHANGIN'. ![]()
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The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced, if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC), 55 BC Last edited by LAMRONH : 12-22-2006 at 07:31 PM. |
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