The Flash Factor

[member12]

Its not that the LS and LT1 Tahoes shouldn't have 17" wheels- its just that they should get good looking 17" wheels...huge difference.

And yes, as far as Z71 stickers all over the place- I would prefer not to have them. The first thing I would do is ask the dealer to remove their sticker as well as the "Off Road" stickers. Just personal taste, I guess. Even the 4x4 versions come with that huge 4x4 logo on the side that is totally not necessary.

[member12]

Originally Posted by espo19047

The Ford out sells Chevy. not GMC and Chevy Combined. The Work truck Silverado is $2000 less the Fords lowest model. The Chevy Silverado W/T comes in 8 different colors not two or three...Why do people make things up? Do you believe your own BS?

I don't know. I think that historically, Ford is the best seller...and it isn't because they are selling a ton of FX4s, either. Most new F150s I see are the STX or XLT models- those are the ones on sale. Even if you combine GMC, Ford usually outsells GM.

[usa1]

I got to say I like the LT models better than the LTZ. The 20" rims just advertise to the world you have no intention of using 4WD on your truck and are a poser. IMO the 17" rims with the beefier tires look better and less blingy to boot.

Navigation is a $2,000 answer to a $5 map. The backup camera is great for someone too old or lazy to look over their shoulder. No thanks.

In any event, I'm glad Chevrolet offer these features for the "feature nuts". If the lack of Bluetooth is the most feature nuts can pick on, Chevrolet did pretty good.

Mark

[3 Phase]

Originally Posted by espo19047

The Ford out sells Chevy. not GMC and Chevy Combined. The Work truck Silverado is $2000 less the Fords lowest model. The Chevy Silverado W/T comes in 8 different colors not two or three...Why do people make things up? Do you believe your own BS?

thank you, you beat me to it.GM has outsold ford for many years.

[CarShark]

Originally Posted by usa1

I got to say I like the LT models better than the LTZ. The 20" rims just advertise to the world you have no intention of using 4WD on your truck and are a poser. IMO the 17" rims with the beefier tires look better and less blingy to boot.

No one uses 4WD seriously. That's why trucks and SUVs sell. It's the image that you do those things.

Navigation is a $2,000 answer to a $5 map. The backup camera is great for someone too old or lazy to look over their shoulder. No thanks.

Fine. It's not for Luddites like yourself. GM should still have them available on every single car in their line-up. No exceptions.

In any event, I'm glad Chevrolet offer these features for the "feature nuts". If the lack of Bluetooth is the most feature nuts can pick on, Chevrolet did pretty good.

How do you know that these people are "feature nuts"? What does it mean if the average buyer looks for these things? It means that GM will be left off their shopping lists...again. A big engine with vroom vroom might not save them then.

[vanshmack]

Being the owner of an 07 LT, I honestly can't see much difference (externally) between ours and the pimped-out LTZ other than the wheels and LTZ badge on the c-pillar. Of course, you can totally tell inside, but we just couldn't justify another $10K for a power rear-seat, Nav, and a parking camera, among other things.

Now the LS is another story. It truly does have some cheap elements, but at least it drives just an nice as an LT or LTZ.

Oh, and contrary some opinions here, we bought a 4wd because we need it. We get 2-3' of snow at a time at our home and we'd never make it home or off the mountain if we had to take our Saturn or PT Cruiser.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Hotspur

This ain't necessarily so. Many high-end buyers DO NOT want their cars with a higher designation. BMW and Audi et. al. offer "badge delete" options. Many M5 owners remove the "M5" label. (Z06 owners do it too!) Owning a BMW or an Audi is glory enough. GM's problem is owning a Cadillac or expensive SUV is not glory enough. A V-series badge is necessary to get someone, ANYONE, to take notice. GM has got to rebuild its brands, as long and slow a process as that may be.

Eh...i dunno bout that.
First off, I have seen a lot more "M3"s out there then real M3's. Plus, its kinda hard to remove the little porthole on the side there. I wouldnt say "many", but they do offer the option. Badge delete is ususally for people who want to keep the car a secrete, and thats for a reason...incase they come up on some unsuspecting vehicle, they wont get picked out over the standard model.
V series badge is needed for anyone to take notice to a Caddy, most of them stand out as it is.

[Hoosier Red]

Personally, I prefer the LS trim. Can't say that I need all the goodies or bling. That's just me.

[KingElvis]

Originally Posted by member12

I don't know. I think that historically, Ford is the best seller...and it isn't because they are selling a ton of FX4s, either. Most new F150s I see are the STX or XLT models- those are the ones on sale. Even if you combine GMC, Ford usually outsells GM.

You are wrong. Chevy alone outsold Ford for years. Since about the mid 70's Ford claims number one status, but including GMC always gives GM the sales advantage.

[KingElvis]

Originally Posted by rueben44

I think his point was options and that is not limited to the wheels and their size. However people do like them bigger because little wheels look just that little and akward. Also I agree with him those trucks are selling "close to loaded" because loaded actually means you get something you can see and use every day not just a badge. When you start selling vehicles in the 40K range it is about options and wow factor not just value completely like in a 15K car. Two totally different kinds of shoppers!

Good observation. The rules of the top end obviously don't really apply on the bottom. Still, I wouldn't dream of spending $45 to get a Chevy. You could get an E class Mercedes or Cadillac STS for that kind of money.

I recently was car shopping, and noticed something very germaine to this post:

It's undeniable - you are usually better off getting the base level upscale car than the dolled up economy model. You could end up paying about the same amount for a G35 infiniti vs. an Impala SS.

In my case, I could have bought a Malibu SS for the same price as a Dodge Charger SE. Thats my new rule - get the bigger, more presitgious base car rather than the premium 'cheap' car.

[johnny smallblock]

Originally Posted by Hotspur

This ain't necessarily so. Many high-end buyers DO NOT want their cars with a higher designation. BMW and Audi et. al. offer "badge delete" options. Many M5 owners remove the "M5" label. (Z06 owners do it too!) Owning a BMW or an Audi is glory enough. GM's problem is owning a Cadillac or expensive SUV is not glory enough. A V-series badge is necessary to get someone, ANYONE, to take notice. GM has got to rebuild its brands, as long and slow a process as that may be.

He's right. I took off the Caprice badges on my car. I just didn't want to shove it in people's faces. I'm unpretentious that way.

[expyfan]

you guys are wrong again. The F-series outsold Chevy and GMC combined for a long time, but it changes every year, sometimes FORD outsells Chevy and GMC combined and sometimes is the other way around. Just look at the sales of this year from January to March, the F-series were selling more than Chevy and GMC combined.

[goblue1999]

Originally Posted by member12

I don't know. I think that historically, Ford is the best seller...and it isn't because they are selling a ton of FX4s, either. Most new F150s I see are the STX or XLT models- those are the ones on sale. Even if you combine GMC, Ford usually outsells GM.

You must be believing your own crap. Ford does not outsell GM, period. Check the numbers.

[TahoeMikeZ71]

Originally Posted by member12

Its not that the LS and LT1 Tahoes shouldn't have 17" wheels- its just that they should get good looking 17" wheels...huge difference.

That's what I mean, they need better looking 17" rims. The old ones had good looking rims on the LS and Base models, but the new ones look like they have to much plastic and look like crap.

[3 Phase]

Originally Posted by expyfan

you guys are wrong again. The F-series outsold Chevy and GMC combined for a long time, but it changes every year, sometimes FORD outsells Chevy and GMC combined and sometimes is the other way around. Just look at the sales of this year from January to March, the F-series were selling more than Chevy and GMC combined.

better do some research.As for this year jan-march,I would hope ford could outsell chevy with an almost new redesign and chevy up for a redesign in a few months.ugh