GM Forum / GM News GM Forum / GM News
 
Go Back   GM Inside News Forum > Competition Discussion > Asian Competition
Register Home Forum Active Topics eBay Marketplace Media Gallery Mark Forums Read

Please Visit our Site Sponsors

GM Inside News & GM Forum is the premier GM Forum and GM News Source on the internet. We discuss all GM models on the forum. Registered Users do not see the above ads. Please Register - It's Free!
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-01-2008, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 6,656
Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Toyota will spend $100m over four years in new Technical Research Institute in Michigan
Quote:
April 1, 2008 - Ann Arbor, Michigan - Toyota Technical Center (TTC) a division of Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc., today announced the establishment of the Toyota Research Institute of North America (TRI-NA). Toyota plans to spend $100 million during the next four years on advanced research activity in North America and will utilize existing facility space at the Toyota Technical Center Ann Arbor campus.
...
TRI-NA initially will employ 35 researchers and administration staff, and plans to add 10 researchers in 2008 and an additional 20 by 2010. "Creating the Toyota Research Institute is the next step to strengthen Toyota's advanced research function throughout North America and to discover cutting-edge technologies for sustainable mobility," said Dr. Kikuchi.
HoosierRon is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-01-2008, 01:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
 
BPGTim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Pennsylvania
Drives: 2008 Pontiac G6 3.5L
Posts: 107
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Sounds like the Japanese Government Money allocated by Toyota
__________________
Sales Pro for GM vehicles since 2001
And Complete Car Nut since 1975

http://www.coleyautos.com
BPGTim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 01:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 844
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

"Creating the Toyota Research Institute is the next step to strengthen Toyota's advanced research function throughout North America and to discover cutting-edge technologies for sustainable mobility," said Dr. Kikuchi.

Dr. Kikuchi states "discover," but really he means steal. Due to Japanese lack of creativity, Toyota has set up research centers in Ann Arbor, MI; Cambridge, MA; etc. to "discover" cutting-edge technologies. It probably would not be worth General Motors' time and money, even if the Japanese government allowed it, to set up a similar research center near Tokyo University because Japanese universities are not known for creating cutting edge automotive technological breakthroughs.
ericmvest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 01:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
 
BPGTim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Pennsylvania
Drives: 2008 Pontiac G6 3.5L
Posts: 107
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Dr. Kikuchi states "discover," but really he means steal. Due to Japanese lack of creativity, Toyota has set up research centers in Ann Arbor, MI; Cambridge, MA; etc. to "discover" cutting-edge technologies.


Again showing they are a Photo-Copy Country
__________________
Sales Pro for GM vehicles since 2001
And Complete Car Nut since 1975

http://www.coleyautos.com
BPGTim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 02:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
GMI Europe Editor
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: France
Drives: 2006 Yamaha YBR 125 1990 Citroën Ax
Posts: 14,549
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Better off them spending the money in the US than elsewhere!
__________________
It's been swell, but the swelling's gone down.
paul8488 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 03:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
4.6 Liter Northstar V8
 
tama z71's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: pittsburgh
Drives: 1969 Chevy El Camino 2004 GMC Canyon
Posts: 1,531
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

we should thank the japanese treasury for returning some of our bond money
tama z71 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 03:27 PM   #7 (permalink)
4.6 Liter Northstar V8
 
Canyonaro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SKI Utah
Drives: '04 Mali '07 Canyon CC 4x4 Z71 SLT
Posts: 1,548
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Hmmm and basically in Detroit. They have wrapped themselves in the American flag, and now they try to pretend that they are a Detroit carmaker as well.
__________________
Willy (from the Simpsons): Willy hears ya. Willy don't care.

Обладание Тойотой не плохо, только все те люди, которые ведут тот, думая это как Aмериканец.


GMI Folding@Home Thread

Canyonaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 04:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
6.2 Liter LS3 V8
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,241
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

I taught of a theory about their next move like moving all their Californian staff to Michigan in a way similar to what Nissan did a couple of years ago when it moved their main offices from California to Tennessee?
Stéphane Dumas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 04:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
4.6 Liter Northstar V8
 
Kennyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Long Beach, CA
Drives: Caddy CTS
Posts: 1,836
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

I was hoping this was one of those "April fools" threads, but apparently, it's not.
__________________
Kennyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 06:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 200
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Quote:
Originally Posted by ericmvest
Dr. Kikuchi states "discover," but really he means steal. Due to Japanese lack of creativity, Toyota has set up research centers in Ann Arbor, MI; Cambridge, MA; etc. to "discover" cutting-edge technologies. It probably would not be worth General Motors' time and money, even if the Japanese government allowed it, to set up a similar research center near Tokyo University because Japanese universities are not known for creating cutting edge automotive technological breakthroughs.
True, the Japanese have traditionally emphasized perfecting existing technology rather than ground-up innovation, but it's rather shortsighted to suggest that GM has nothing to learn from them and that "cutting-edge" technology always takes precedence over careful perfection of proven technology.

What "cutting-edge" tech has Toyota, or anyone else for that matter, "stolen" from GM anyway? Did GM "steal" the Matrix when they rebadged it as the Vibe?

Besides, GM should be flattered that Toyota would make an effort to "steal" technology, whatever that means.

Quote:
Originally Posted by paul8488 View Post
Better off them spending the money in the US than elsewhere!
At least someone is thinking objectively.

Last edited by masrapido : 04-01-2008 at 06:15 PM.
masrapido is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Toronto
Drives: 2002 GTP
Posts: 991
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

That's a lot of money for 35 jobs.
__________________
2007 Avalanche, Black LTZ 4x4
2002 Grand Prix Black GTP, Intercooled
tholland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 07:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 844
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Quote:
Originally Posted by masrapido View Post
True, the Japanese have traditionally emphasized perfecting existing technology rather than ground-up innovation, but it's rather shortsighted to suggest that GM has nothing to learn from them and that "cutting-edge" technology always takes precedence over careful perfection of proven technology.

What "cutting-edge" tech has Toyota, or anyone else for that matter, "stolen" from GM anyway? Did GM "steal" the Matrix when they rebadged it as the Vibe?

Besides, GM should be flattered that Toyota would make an effort to "steal" technology, whatever that means.

At least someone is thinking objectively.
Being a Japanese apologist is not thinking objectively. A foreign company or government setting up "research" (intelligence gathering) offices in America to gather our technology is not virtuous.


The Japanese stole General Motors catalytic converter technology. A Federal bureaucrat showed the Japanese a General Motors prototype catalytic converter that General Motors loaned the Federal Government allowing the Japanese to take notes, drawings, photographs, etc. The Japanese subsequently produced a copy. A Federal judge did not give General Motors damages because General Motors patented a later version of their catalytic converter and not the prototype the Japanese copied.

Toyota copied TRW’s concept for hybrid vehicles when they developed the Prius. They allowed TRW’s patents to expire before they introduced the Prius therefore there was no patent infringement.

Other than the Toyota Production System, what manufacturing or product innovation has Toyota contributed to the automotive industry?

Last edited by ericmvest : 04-02-2008 at 07:37 AM.
ericmvest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 08:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
 
Nico Flax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Northern Virigina!
Drives: Nissan 200SX
Posts: 101
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Quote:
Originally Posted by ericmvest View Post
Being a Japanese apologist is not thinking objectively. A foreign company or government setting up "research" (intelligence gathering) offices in America to gather our technology is not virtuous.
Intelligence gathering? This is not a war its business, and there is not much I can think of that Toyota would want to steal from GM.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ericmvest View Post
The Japanese stole General Motors catalytic converter technology. A Federal bureaucrat showed the Japanese a General Motors prototype catalytic converter that General Motors loaned the Federal Government allowing the Japanese to take notes, drawings, photographs, etc. The Japanese subsequently produced a copy. A Federal judge did not give General Motors damages because General Motors patented a later version of their catalytic converter and not the prototype the Japanese copied.
I would need to see something about this, but if GM only patented a later version of it then really it is there fault for being sloppy. But don't you know that all car companies these days strip down their competitors cars? My cousin had in internship at Ford and they would strip all sorts of cars down to see exactly how the competition is building their cars.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ericmvest View Post
Toyota copied TRW’s concept for hybrid vehicles when they developed the Prius. They allowed TRW’s patents to expire before they introduced the Prius therefore there was no patent infringement.
Why would a company release a product with a risk of patent infringement? That does not make a good business case and obviously you don't understand how business works. It's not pretty, it's cut throat.
Nico Flax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 200
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Quote:
Originally Posted by ericmvest View Post
Being a Japanese apologist is not thinking objectively. A foreign company or government setting up "research" (intelligence gathering) offices in America to gather our technology is not virtuous.
Japanese secret agents posing as automotive engineers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ericmvest
The Japanese stole General Motors catalytic converter technology. A Federal bureaucrat showed the Japanese a General Motors prototype catalytic converter that General Motors loaned the Federal Government allowing the Japanese to take notes, drawings, photographs, etc. The Japanese subsequently produced a copy. A Federal judge did not give General Motors damages because General Motors patented a later version of their catalytic converter and not the prototype the Japanese copied.

Toyota copied TRW’s concept for hybrid vehicles when they developed the Prius. They allowed TRW’s patents to expire before they introduced the Prius therefore there was no patent infringement.

Other than the Toyota Production System, what manufacturing or product innovation has Toyota contributed to the automotive industry?
If GM has any sense, you can bet they've ripped apart Camrys, Accords and Altimas before. They don't think everything up themselves either.
masrapido is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 06:35 PM   #15 (permalink)
2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 844
Re: Toyota to spend $100 million on advanced research in North America

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nico Flax View Post
That does not make a good business case and obviously you don't understand how business works. It's not pretty, it's cut throat.
I guess I know enough about business to know that corporate espionage goes on that is not only unethical, but illegal. Don’t you remember when Volkswagen settled with General Motors for the damages caused by Lopez taking confidential General Motors' documents with him when he left General Motors to go to Volkswagen?

Foreign companies open research operations in the U.S. and hire the competitions' engineers and scientists at inflated salaries to find out what the competition is doing. Hopefully Toyota’s motivations are honorable, but many foreign companies’ motivations in setting up research operations in the United States have not been. It is naive to think other wise.

Last edited by ericmvest : 04-02-2008 at 06:42 PM.
ericmvest is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  GM Inside News Forum > Competition Discussion > Asian Competition



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:23 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0
©2008 GMInsidenews.com.
GMInsideNews.com is not affiliated with GM, General Motors or any GM Divisions in any capacity.
GMInsideNews.com is an enthusiasts' forum dedicated entirely to news about GM vehicles.