Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims

wroberts · 07-06-2007, 08:50 AM

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...707060350/1148
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The lawsuit claims American Honda Motor Co. has misled consumers in its advertisements and on its Web site. The suit notes that while the Environmental Protection Agency and automobile window stickers say "mileage will vary," some Honda advertisements read "mileage mayvary." That implies that it's possible to get the mileage advertised, said William H. Anderson, a Washington, D.C., attorney for True.

One Honda magazine ad claimed owners could get up to 650 miles on a single tank of gas, while Honda's Web site features a fuel-savings calculator that assumes hybrid Civic drivers will average 51 mpg.

"This case does seek relief for tens of thousands of consumers like Mr. True, who purchased the HCH expecting to benefit from its 'remarkable' fuel efficiency, and paid thousands of dollars extra for an HCH that looks identical and performs basically the same as the non-hybrid Honda Civic," said a June 4 court filing.

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BGH · 07-06-2007, 09:04 AM

Those are the EPA numbers. I guess we should all get on board and sue the automakers. People just expect cars to get good fuel economy. But you have to be careful with your driving habits. The toyota prius had the same compaints while other people seem very satisfied with the mialage.

69Firebird400 · 07-06-2007, 09:14 AM

What an idiot. He might as well not even waste his time, because this is going to get thrown out without him getting a penny.

And I bet if it ever did go to trial, Honda could come up with a scenario somewhere that someone did get the EPA mileage numbers, with a light foot, no traffic, and keeping speeds below 55.

guitarlix · 07-06-2007, 09:15 AM

Why just hybrids? Lets all start suing every car manufacturer for every car that they sell not meeting its mileage ratings.

coaster.n3rd · 07-06-2007, 09:44 AM

^word...

likearock00 · 07-06-2007, 09:47 AM

Let's get everyone together and sue the automotive industry just because we can. That'll help!

01cavalier · 07-06-2007, 09:50 AM

Personally I think it's ridiculous to sue based on mileage "claims." I've seen people get well over EPA mileage. It's happened to me with several cars, and then I've had people that cant seem to get good mileage no matter what they do. I remember a customer getting over 55 MPG with an Aveo with no modifications.

coaster.n3rd · 07-06-2007, 10:03 AM

I get well over the EPA in both my 'Balts... The stick easily gets 38-40 on the highway. Cruise set at 72.

espo19047 · 07-06-2007, 10:06 AM

These are hybrid customers.

**GMCSonoma** · 07-06-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by espo19047

These are hybrid customers.

I think it funny actually...serves them right.

Hudson · 07-06-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GMCSonoma

I think it funny actually...serves them right.

No...it's not these "hybrid customers," it's "the new American way." Make a fast buck by suing someone who hasn't done anything wrong. Honda designed a car that does well in the EPA-designed test and Honda followed the law by only advertising gas mileage claims from that test. Honda has done nothing wrong here.

The Civic buyer and his lawyer are morons looking for money from a large corporation. It's not about his gas mileage or the fact that his Civic looks and performs just like any other Civic (isn't that the point of a Civic Hybrid?). I'm sure I could get far better gas mileage than any standard Civic if I had his Hybrid for a week. Heck, I get better gas mileage in my standard cars than I'm supposed to according to the EPA.

The world would be a better place if we had fewer lawyers. And soft-minded people persuaded by these lawyers to sue over stupid stuff.

Dave B · 07-06-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by espo19047

These are hybrid customers.

That says it all........

guitarlix · 07-06-2007, 11:02 AM

I suppose no one on these forums is going to buy a GM hybrid in the future?

**GMCSonoma** · 07-06-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarlix

I suppose no one on these forums is going to buy a GM hybrid in the future?

Not likely...for me that is...

ronald mcretard · 07-06-2007, 11:10 AM

Doesn't he know you're supposed to coast with the car turned off and draft semis on the highway?

07-06-2007, 08:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
wroberts 2.2 Liter ECOTEC Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Livonia, MI Posts: 70	Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...707060350/1148 Snip... The lawsuit claims American Honda Motor Co. has misled consumers in its advertisements and on its Web site. The suit notes that while the Environmental Protection Agency and automobile window stickers say "mileage will vary," some Honda advertisements read "mileage mayvary." That implies that it's possible to get the mileage advertised, said William H. Anderson, a Washington, D.C., attorney for True. One Honda magazine ad claimed owners could get up to 650 miles on a single tank of gas, while Honda's Web site features a fuel-savings calculator that assumes hybrid Civic drivers will average 51 mpg. "This case does seek relief for tens of thousands of consumers like Mr. True, who purchased the HCH expecting to benefit from its 'remarkable' fuel efficiency, and paid thousands of dollars extra for an HCH that looks identical and performs basically the same as the non-hybrid Honda Civic," said a June 4 court filing. Snip.... __________________ Yes I'm an auto engineer that ACTUALLY works on cars. Kinda weird huh. Buick bring back T-Types. I love 80's cars, does that make me weird?

07-06-2007, 09:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
BGH 3.8 Liter Supercharged V6 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 717	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims Those are the EPA numbers. I guess we should all get on board and sue the automakers. People just expect cars to get good fuel economy. But you have to be careful with your driving habits. The toyota prius had the same compaints while other people seem very satisfied with the mialage.

07-06-2007, 09:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
69Firebird400 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Philadelphia Area Drives: 08 CTS DI RWD Nav, 08 Sienna Limited AWD Nav Posts: 5,640	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims What an idiot. He might as well not even waste his time, because this is going to get thrown out without him getting a penny. And I bet if it ever did go to trial, Honda could come up with a scenario somewhere that someone did get the EPA mileage numbers, with a light foot, no traffic, and keeping speeds below 55. __________________ Autosavant Cars and Technology

07-06-2007, 09:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
guitarlix 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,154	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims Why just hybrids? Lets all start suing every car manufacturer for every car that they sell not meeting its mileage ratings.

07-06-2007, 09:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
coaster.n3rd 5.3 Liter LS4 V8 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 5,059 Miles SE of Dutch Harbor Drives: 2008 Saturn Aura XE 2.4 I-4 Posts: 3,861	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims ^word... __________________ 'I've seen the next Cadillac STS replacement and it looks damn good... like a ****ing Bentley.' - Unclassified GM exec. 'I had no respect for the 55 mph limit and I took great delight in breaking the limit I can assure you.' www.32hours7minutes.com

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07-06-2007, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
likearock00 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Drives: 2006 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab Z-71 Posts: 7,891	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims Let's get everyone together and sue the automotive industry just because we can. That'll help! __________________ Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. -Thomas Jefferson

07-06-2007, 09:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
01cavalier 6.0 Liter LS2 V8 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portland, OR Drives: 2007 Cobalt Posts: 4,818	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims Personally I think it's ridiculous to sue based on mileage "claims." I've seen people get well over EPA mileage. It's happened to me with several cars, and then I've had people that cant seem to get good mileage no matter what they do. I remember a customer getting over 55 MPG with an Aveo with no modifications. __________________ No longer have the Cavalier, now it's a Cobalt!

07-06-2007, 10:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
coaster.n3rd 5.3 Liter LS4 V8 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 5,059 Miles SE of Dutch Harbor Drives: 2008 Saturn Aura XE 2.4 I-4 Posts: 3,861	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims I get well over the EPA in both my 'Balts... The stick easily gets 38-40 on the highway. Cruise set at 72. __________________ 'I've seen the next Cadillac STS replacement and it looks damn good... like a ****ing Bentley.' - Unclassified GM exec. 'I had no respect for the 55 mph limit and I took great delight in breaking the limit I can assure you.' www.32hours7minutes.com

07-06-2007, 10:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
espo19047 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Posts: 1,704	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims These are hybrid customers. __________________ Personalize your GM vehicle! click here: http://www.reedmantoll.com/ou/langho...s_parts_estore Visit me: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3ttrj/s...rgerchevrolet/

07-06-2007, 11:02 AM	#13 (permalink)
guitarlix 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,154	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims I suppose no one on these forums is going to buy a GM hybrid in the future?

07-06-2007, 11:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
ronald mcretard 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,994	Re: Hybrid owner sues Honda over mileage claims Doesn't he know you're supposed to coast with the car turned off and draft semis on the highway?

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