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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Oiii oii oii! I wish someone besides VW would bring some non-lux-priced diesels to the US market.

    Honda? Bring it on! I'm hoping for the KIA 1.6 diesel for the Soul.

    Who will be the first brave soul/company?

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    I was thinking the CR-V with the 1.6L iDTEC!!!
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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Oiii oii oii! I wish someone besides VW would bring some non-lux-priced diesels to the US market.

    Honda? Bring it on! I'm hoping for the KIA 1.6 diesel for the Soul.

    Who will be the first brave soul/company?
    Chevrolet and Mazda have said they're bringing at least -a- diesel engine here. Cruze and...whatever Mazda sticks theirs into. Current speculation is heavily implying it'll be the CX-5, possibly the Mazda6. Any non-lux diesels coming to the US market I'm missing?

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    I would prefer the 2.2 iDTEC engine in a vehicle any larger than the Civic.

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Related I saw somewhere that Honda seems to have made a commitment to a 7 sp DCT of some sort.

    So like for others, seems they may end up with a diesel or two, three or four electrification types, CVTs, 6SP MTs / CATS...... and maybe still..... the 9HP for Acura and related.

    And they're keeping on the 'early' track for the fuel cells.

    All of this when taken together, is going to require a great deal of money - even if they drop one or two and or or back pedal and stretch.


    I swear, this does not bode well for the rest of the vehicle ......
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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Quote Originally Posted by CheetahDC View Post
    Chevrolet and Mazda have said they're bringing at least -a- diesel engine here. Cruze and...whatever Mazda sticks theirs into. Current speculation is heavily implying it'll be the CX-5, possibly the Mazda6. Any non-lux diesels coming to the US market I'm missing?
    The diesels used by Daewoo (Chevrolet) are old designs, from VM Motori but now built under licence by Hyundai for Daewoo - Hyundai don't use them for their own or Kia models any more as they have the modern R-series I4 2.0/2.2 and S-series V6 3.0 diesels for use in RoW markets - these were designed at Hyundai Germany but built by Hyundai in Korea.

    GM don't have any up-to-date car diesels available - either the elderly VM Motori units or the less old but not modern Fiat units. GM Powertrain holds all their rights, not the original developers, but they aren't GM designs.

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    The diesels used by Daewoo (Chevrolet) are old designs, from VM Motori but now built under licence by Hyundai for Daewoo - Hyundai don't use them for their own or Kia models any more as they have the modern R-series I4 2.0/2.2 and S-series V6 3.0 diesels for use in RoW markets - these were designed at Hyundai Germany but built by Hyundai in Korea.

    GM don't have any up-to-date car diesels available - either the elderly VM Motori units or the less old but not modern Fiat units. GM Powertrain holds all their rights, not the original developers, but they aren't GM designs.
    Weren't the VM Motori diesels discontinued in favor of an internal GM design within the past year or so?

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    The diesels used by Daewoo (Chevrolet) are old designs, from VM Motori but now built under licence by Hyundai for Daewoo - Hyundai don't use them for their own or Kia models any more as they have the modern R-series I4 2.0/2.2 and S-series V6 3.0 diesels for use in RoW markets - these were designed at Hyundai Germany but built by Hyundai in Korea.

    GM don't have any up-to-date car diesels available - either the elderly VM Motori units or the less old but not modern Fiat units. GM Powertrain holds all their rights, not the original developers, but they aren't GM designs.
    The US Cruze Diesel will receive a Fiat Powertrain JTD variant as utilized in some EU Opel products. Arguably Fiat Powetrain is considered by many to be a leading manufacturer of small diesels, and aside from BMW's quite excellent 4 cylinder diesels I would agree.

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Quote Originally Posted by CheetahDC View Post
    Weren't the VM Motori diesels discontinued in favor of an internal GM design within the past year or so?
    It's just an updated version of the old VM Motori design - GM haven't themselves designed a car diesel for decades.

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    The US Cruze Diesel will receive a Fiat Powertrain JTD variant as utilized in some EU Opel products. Arguably Fiat Powetrain is considered by many to be a leading manufacturer of small diesels, and aside from BMW's quite excellent 4 cylinder diesels I would agree.
    It's no longer anything to do with Fiat - during the Opel/Fiat joint venture days, the JTD was produced by GM Fiat Powertrain - Fiat have since pulled out of that leaving GM in full control of Powertrain so now both GM and Fiat have rights to the original JTD - both are developing that design independently.

    GM currently has two 2.0 I4 diesels available - one that's ex-VM Motori and one that's ex-Fiat JTD - I've no idea why it has both although it did the same years ago with a 1.7 I4 from Isuzu and their in-house 1.7 diesel, which was the last car diesel designed by GM, ie not licenced from elsewhere.

    The BMW diesels are thought to be the best in Europe, closely followed by the PSA diesels, now being built by the PSA/Ford joint venture and also used by Jaguar Land Rover.

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    But I thought the Prius was the only way to save the world from itself?

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    GM via GM powertrain, VM Motori , or PSA has access to very competitive diesels, and I wonder what came of the memorandum of understanding between GM and BMW.

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    Re: Honda: new diesel for overseas Civic, will it come here?

    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    GM via GM powertrain, VM Motori , or PSA has access to very competitive diesels, and I wonder what came of the memorandum of understanding between GM and BMW.
    VM Motori diesels aren't competitive, they're very old designs updated each time new Euro emissions regulations come out - the GM Powertrain diesels are updates of the Fiat JTD engines, more modern but not state-of-the art - the PSA diesels aren't available to GM as Ford Europe have a joint operation with PSA.

    At one time BMW supplied the straight-6 2.5 diesel to Opel/Vauxhall for use in the Omega but they would only supply it in a very low state of tune and they weren't that reliable when used on Opel/Vauxhall service schedules which had longer intervals than BMW.

    Opel/Vauxhall did use an Isuzu V6 3.0 diesel in the Vectra-C which replaced Omega, as well as Fiat I4 1.9 diesels, but the big diesel didn't get carried over to the Insignia.
    Last edited by Ruperts Trooper; 11-22-2012 at 08:10 AM.

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