Honda Is Most Stuck Up Corporation

[surferdude00711]

I officially hate Honda more than any other import brand. Their advertisements drive me insane, as do their salesman. Things that annoy me:

1. Honda truck advertisement that ends in 'Above all its a Honda'

2. Honda used-car advertisements that ends in 'It is a Honda'

3. Honda salesmen, that refuse to adknowledge new good cars like the Cobalt, and sometimes even brush-off my mention of the Camry

4. Civics. God I hate them

5. Pilot owners that think they're cool because they drive and SUV and van-owners are uncool, when now since everyone owns and SUV its actually cooler to own a van.

[460ford]

Me to I hate Honda and also think that they are a stuck up corporation, They also call the Ridgeline a half ton truck, What planet are they on?

[citric acid]

Sony is actually the most stuck up corperation, specifically Ken Kurtagi (whose name I doubtlessly spelt wrong) who said that people shouldn't complain about the glaring flaws in the early PSPs because it was like the most beautiful building ever made, or something to that effect.

Anyway, first off, Civics are actually very nice cars when they aren't purchased by idiots with APC catalogs. I drive one, as does my brother, and we both really like the logical control layouts and solid reliability. Of course, our Civics are mostly unmodified, so there you go. They're not the best cars in the world, I won't say that, but for a small commuter they're quite fun to drive and well made. The current model is decidedly mid-pack, but that doesn't mean they deserve seething hatred.

Second, salesmen are bad no matter where you go. They're no worse than GM salesmen who ignore you unless they think you're going to drop a small fortune at their dealership (local GM dealer), or Ford dealerships who don't know thier product and massively overcharge for every little maintenance procedure (local Ford dealer). With ALL companies, there will be good dealerships and bad.

Third, Honda has a good reputation, if you've got it, flaunt it. It's no different than any GM Truck ad bragging about how a massive percentage of the trucks on the road are still there. Reputations are hard won, so you want to use it if you have it.

Fourth, so what if Pilot owners think that owning an SUV is better than a minivan? At least Honda isn't making their minivans look like goofy quasi-SUVs, unlike a certain rather large corperation which shall remain nameless.

The reason I bring all this up is because there is nothing here that makes Honda any worse than Ford, GM, or any other company. But what do I know, I don't hate any company.

[citric acid]

Originally Posted by 460ford

Me to I hate Honda and also think that they are a stuck up corporation, They also call the Ridgeline a half ton truck, What planet are they on?

Actually they called it just a mid-size in the last ad I saw, and half-ton refers only to capacity, not size. If it can carry a half ton, it's a half ton.

[Avarno]

The way I see it, GM should be pushing for Chevrolet to follow the Honda model. Maybe then their cars would hold some residual value in relation to their MSRP, instead of acting like they were a Kia.

Knowing a number of people with Civics, I wouldn't say they're insanely better than the competition, but you can be sure you don't hear about persistent electronic/emissions problems, or significant failures of certain components that you do in similarly aged domestic products. They also do the smart thing it would seem in the bean-counting arena, by cheaping out where it DOESN'T count, using cheap components for non-critical parts and spending the money on the their drivetrain, suspension, SEATS! and other things that more directly impact the driver and their relation to the car.

I love listening to the foreign car haters. Lighten up and learn a few lessons about the recent history of large scale industrial manufacturing. And open your ears to the things that we'll never see on a domestic, like 20mpg in a unibody ON TOP of a FRAME truck! Sorry, maybe I spent too much time with engineers, but that's pretty impressive.

And citric, I 2nd your statement about Sony. I think they want to be the Microsoft of the electronics industry, trying to negate everyone else's standards and pushing their own proprietary specifications, so they can make more money pushing their own electronic consumables. Whatever guys, whatever....

[jro4566]

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

1. Honda truck advertisement that ends in 'Above all its a Honda'

2. Honda used-car advertisements that ends in 'It is a Honda'

Honda's proven that they make reliable vehicles, and the public awknowleges that. It's a pretty good catchphrase IMO. If my car company's quality ratings were consistently that high, why wouldn't I use that slogan?

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

3. Honda salesmen, that refuse to adknowledge new good cars like the Cobalt, and sometimes even brush-off my mention of the Camry

Don't a lot of salespersons refuse to awknowledge the competition? That's how they sell their cars.

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

4. Civics. God I hate them

I hate them too, but only when they are riced up. Other than that, I think they are a good means of A-B transportation.

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

5. Pilot owners that think they're cool because they drive and SUV and van-owners are uncool, when now since everyone owns and SUV its actually cooler to own a van.

Don't understand this one exactly. I don't really think anybody who drives a Pilot or Odyssey thinks they are "cool" but they'd probably be proud knowing that they made a solid choice in vehicle.

[surferdude00711]

1+2. Honda doesn't rank even in the top 5

3. Not in my experience

4. Agreed

5. You know what i mean

[Stéphane Dumas]

Originally Posted by RCtennis3811

I hate them too, but only when they are riced up. Other than that, I think they are a good means of A-B transportation.

With Hyundai offering good bang for the buck with the Elantra and Accent for the A-B transportation. Mazda offering some "pizzaz" in the "enjoy-to-drive" side with the 3. Subaru and to a lesser extend Mitsubishi with the WRX et EVO (as well as the Dodge SRT-4 and Chevy Cobalt SS), Ford Focus for the "tunning side" (Primedia launched a magazine titled "Focus Fanatic"), the Civic isn't alone on its cloud anymore, it seems they follow a bit the same path as VW with the Rabbit-Golf. And with the upcoming Nissan Sentra successor who'll probably have a 3-door hactback or a derivated "baby Z" coupe concept like the one showed at the last NAIAS...

[giagastormer]

I'll tell you who is REALLY stuck up, this incredibly hot girl in my Math class.

[surferdude00711]

Originally Posted by giagastormer

I'll tell you who is REALLY stuck up, this incredibly hot girl in my Math class.

Wow Mark thanks for the low-down lol. Picture?

[giagastormer]

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

Wow Mark thanks for the low-down lol. Picture?

Wow Jon last time I checked my name was NICK.

Well, she has a really nice...........well you get the point.

[surferdude00711]

Originally Posted by giagastormer

Wow Jon last time I checked my name was NICK.

Well, she has a really nice...........well you get the point.

Sorry I was talking to my freind Mark online as I was typing this :-/. I like leaving the end of sentences open for interpretation too lol.

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by Avarno

And open your ears to the things that we'll never see on a domestic, like 20mpg in a unibody ON TOP of a FRAME truck! Sorry, maybe I spent too much time with engineers, but that's pretty impressive.

I'm a Honda fan, and the Ridgeline has a lot of good qualities. But fuel economy 16/21 from a 255 horsepower, 252 pound feet torque V6 isn't really that impressive.

The Toyota Tacoma double cab 4WD is rated at gas mileage 17/21. It has 15 less horsepower but 28 more pound feet of torque available 700 RPM lower in the rev range, 300 pounds more bed capacity, and a 1000 pound higher tow rating. To be fair, it is smaller than the Ridgeline.

The Chevy Silverado 1500 crew cab 4WD is rated at gas mileage 15/19 vs. the Ridgeline's 16/21, and the Silverado has 30 more peak horsepower, 83 more pound feet of torque available 500 RPM lower in the rev range, 3000 pounds more towing capacity, and 600 pounds more bed capacity. It's also larger than the Ridgeline.

The Ridgeline has a lot of good features, but its powertrain is just average.

[AdmiralViscen]

As well as its platform.

[jinushaun]

The only point I agree with is #1 about the Ridgeline commercial. What a stupid and arrogant tagline.

#2 (about the used car ads) is somewhat stuck up but one can't really blame them for leveraging this excellent reliability reputation. It's smart business. To borrow a line from a Toyota commercial, "great new cars make excellent used cars".