GM fans vs Toyota Fans

[ChevyRules]

This is just my point of view of Toyota and GM fans. I have spent some time browsing through Toyota Nation for awhile now, and feel it is necessary to reveal the similarities and differences between us and them.

The similarities are quite a few. First, we defend our company with fierce tenacity. Any import fan that comes on to GMI with the intention to rattle our nerves by saying, “ GM sucks and Toyota rules,” will be met with us blaring all guns saying how he is a moron and how he is a blind fanboi, etc. If a domestic fan( being GM or Ford) goes on Toyota Nation and says how much Toyota sucks due to them being Japanese, or that it there tricking the American public into buying their hybrids, etc, there met with the same thing from the Toyota fans. Both fans come in and say stuff that insults us and the company that we love.

The other similarity is that we love our cars! Whatever we own, we just love. I love my Suburbans, Equinox, and BMW. They love what they own, being it a Camry, Avalon, Tundra, etc. They will defend those products without end. Now we both can criticize the companies that we so dearly love. For us GM fans, it is the CSV minivans, why is it taking so long to say, “ The Camaro has been approved,” why is GM keeping around the 3400 V6, and why are they doing such a blatant rebadge of the Cobalt for Pontiac, etc.

Both of us seem to want to work together seamlessly. We don’t want to see Toyota to go under, and they want to see GM do well. Now of course there are exceptions with our blind fanboi’s who support GM and want Toyota to disappear and there blind fanboi’s want to see GM( and Ford) disappear. I for one want to see both companies to be in the black and can get along with each other.

Finally, Then there is our forum rivalry. Whenever a thread or post is made about Toyota Nation, some of us go out and say stuff like, “ Those people are the most ignorant people ever,” or “ Those guys won’t give GM a chance.” Then at Toyota Nation there are posts like, “ That Ming guy is the biggest GM fanboi ever!” The thing is that is completely natural for people. If you go on to an Apple forum you will see people trash Windows and Windows fans. Then go to a Windows forum, and you will see them trash us. Of course there are people who want to see both OS’s or car companies succeed. Like Silver Streak over at Toyota Nation. He wants GM to succeed and be in the black, but will buy Toyota for the time being as Toyota’s appeal to him. I want the same for Toyota. I don’t care if Toyota or GM is #1. What I care is that GM and Toyota are giving each other good competition and are profiting.

There is only one, I do mean one difference between us. People at GMI tend to love GM. People at Toyota Nation love Toyota. That is it. Just a matter what company we prefer.

Once again this is my opinion. You can agree or disagree with it all you like.

[asim]

Interesting take...I like it.

[Bravada]

This is an OK post, but I have a feeling this thread might develop into something really nasty...

[marinerbc]

The trick on either site is to post intelligently. There is no reason to trash each others' beliefs and values, when you can just discuss cars instead. That simple concept seems beyond many people on both sites. If I invite a guest into my home, I expect them to behave, and not trash every belief I have just because they can do so from the safety of being behind a computer monitor.

I don't post at TN, because it's their site, and I respect that. I don't wish to see Toyota out of business, but I have no desire to see them become #1 in the North American market, either.

There just seem to be many "missionairies" coming here to teach GM owners the "True Way." I don't like people that preach, but I'll discuss almost anything with anyone...if it stays civil.

[CobaltSScrazy]

I concur that I want toyota to perform and build quality cars ( I just want ours to be better in everyway and for their marketshare to go stagnate and ours to increase slightly) as its great competition and the consumer wins. As much as I can't stand toyota sometimes, its JUST a company that happens to build cars that based in Japan. And as much as I hate the fact that they take billions of dollars out of our economy back to their homeland, in the grand scheme of things, if it helps out more people in the long run I'm all for it. I love the U.S. of A. but I also am a firm supporter of raising the standard of living of all people, which stems from my religious beliefs.

To bravada, and all others reading this, I don't think this thread will turn nasty unless someone has too many beers before typing or wants to stir up problems. Hopefully none of us want to act like 9 year olds today/tonight (aka on this thread).

[Camarokid79]

I'm curious about the affiliation of Toyota with Chevrolet. The Geo cars had toyota engines. The Prizm was a Corolla with Chevy Badges. What's the deal?

[jc7222]

Both companies doing well only benefits the consumer, as they will both have to give there best or lose. That said, I am rooting for GM to always finish #1.

[citric acid]

Originally Posted by jc7222

Both companies doing well only benefits the consumer, as they will both have to give there best or lose. That said, I am rooting for GM to always finish #1.

Agreed, there's no doubt that competition improves the breed. I'm not rooting for GM per se, I'm rooting for anyone that builds cars, and GM continues to have the most interesting potential and so is worth watching the closest, and since they are pretty massive there are very few 'lulls' where nothing is introduced in a year. That, and if Saturn keeps doing the Opel thing, I suspect I'll buy one as the car after next, so it's worth keeping an eye on them.

[Deere_Daze]

As someone who posts both on TN and GMI, I can certainly relate to what you are saying.
The fanboyism and GM bashing on TN has gotten out of control lately, IMO.
I always get a kick out of it when someone TN tries to exaggerate the quality of the domestics. They act like they all fall apart as soon as you drive them off the lot, yet I know many people who have 200,000 miles on their Fords and Chevys and they are still running strong. Heck, Ive got 137,000 miles on my F-150 and its still going strong.
I like Toyotas and thats why I go on TN, but Im considering getting a Chevy truck for my next vehicle, so thats why I come here on GMI.
Personally, I can appreciate any nice vehicle regardless of what the brand is. Im not a Toyota guy, a Ford guy or a Chevy guy, Im a car guy. I likes 'em all.

[86fleet]

I would pretty much agree with what you said. They have idiots at their site, and we have idiots at ours. But for the most part, both sites are populated by more or less intellegent people who only have some bais toward their favorite brand.

[TRDemon]

Its about time somebody made some sense out of this. I totally agree. Although I don't post at TN, I do post at Tundra Solutions and Tacoma Territory(TTORA). I have a Tacoma. And I love it. But I also like GM, and Ford for that matter. I just like everything. Thats not to say I am a tad more focused when it comes time to actually buy, but I'm pretty open-minded.

Each forum is basically the same: A group of people with the same general interests and concerns.

One thing I really dislike, is for somebody on a particular site (no names) goes over to another unnamed site and post erratically proposterous and idiotic posts just to get a rise out of the locals. Now that is just wrong. You would get mad if they did that to you and vice versa. I know for the most part most of the people here are mature, but a few have a rediculous tendency to act uneducated and immature.(a.k.a. be a dumba$$)

[marinerbc]

Originally Posted by Deere_Daze

Heck, Ive got 137,000 miles on my F-150 and its still going strong.

I sent a GM car with 700,000 miles on it (documented by the local dealer, original engine, one transmission) to the crusher after offering it to GM. They said they had seen that before, and sent a gift certificate for a new GM car.

No one at TN would believe that, I'm sure.

Originally Posted by citric acid

Agreed, there's no doubt that competition improves the breed. I'm not rooting for GM per se, I'm rooting for anyone that builds cars, and GM continues to have the most interesting potential and so is worth watching the closest, and since they are pretty massive there are very few 'lulls' where nothing is introduced in a year. That, and if Saturn keeps doing the Opel thing, I suspect I'll buy one as the car after next, so it's worth keeping an eye on them.

Who are you, and what have you done with citric acid??

[citric acid]

Originally Posted by marinerbc

Who are you, and what have you done with citric acid??

Ever see the film The Thing?

Just asking...

[King Riffle]

Originally Posted by Camarokid79

I'm curious about the affiliation of Toyota with Chevrolet. The Geo cars had toyota engines. The Prizm was a Corolla with Chevy Badges. What's the deal?

GM and Toyota have worked on projects together in the past. It isn't really this "war" that everyone seems to think of. The point of running a business isn't to pummel the competition into the ground, it's to make money.

The First GM-Toyota partnership car I can think of is the late 80's Chevrolet Nova/Toyota Corolla. The Nova was dropped and replaced by the Geo Prizm. It too was a Toyota Corolla. The rest of Geo's lineup was provided by Suzuki (Metro=Swift, Tracker=Sidekick), and Isuzu (Storm=Impulse).

Toyota sold the Cavalier in Japan. However, it did not do well.

The Pontiac Vibe is also one of the GM-Toyota projects. Toyota has it's own version, the Matrix. These two are more differentiated than the previous Prizm/Corolla were.

Isuzu has also had its own partnership with Honda. Honda's lineup was lacking an suv, so Isuzu let them sell the Rodeo under the Passport moniker. Isuzu got to sell the Odessey minivan as the Oasis, and the Accord as something (the name escapes me at the moment).


Honda Passport/Isuzu Rodeo

[griswold44]

Originally Posted by King Riffle

GM and Toyota have worked on projects together in the past. It isn't really this "war" that everyone seems to think of. The point of running a business isn't to pummel the competition into the ground, it's to make money.

The First GM-Toyota partnership car I can think of is the late 80's Chevrolet Nova/Toyota Corolla. The Nova was dropped and replaced by the Geo Prizm. It too was a Toyota Corolla. The rest of Geo's lineup was provided by Suzuki (Metro=Swift, Tracker=Sidekick), and Isuzu (Storm=Impulse).

Toyota sold the Cavalier in Japan. However, it did not do well.

The Pontiac Vibe is also one of the GM-Toyota projects. Toyota has it's own version, the Matrix. These two are more differentiated than the previous Prizm/Corolla were.

Isuzu has also had its own partnership with Honda. Honda's lineup was lacking an suv, so Isuzu let them sell the Rodeo under the Passport moniker. Isuzu got to sell the Odessey minivan as the Oasis, and the Accord as something (the name escapes me at the moment).


Honda Passport/Isuzu Rodeo

Acura also got a version of the Trooper they tried to pawn off as the Acura SLX. IIRC, Honda also got some diesel engines out of that Isuzu deal, too, but I don't know what cars they put them in.