EVO magazine: Z06 faster than GTR

[Almag]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

Keep in mind they said the Z06 was accelerating faster past 100mph so that would affect the braking distance.

They were referring to the reaction time's effect on the 0-100-0 time.

You can see this graphically below. The actual braking time was shorter in the GT-R:

[redTT]

Originally Posted by Almag

They were referring to the reaction time's effect on the 0-100-0 time.

You can see this graphically below. The actual braking time was shorter in the GT-R:

I agree with E Haskell that the Corvettes faster speed at 100mph would have contributed to its longer brake time.

So the GTR only has the edge when its driver remembers/has time to mess around with its techno enanny, and only at anything below 100mph.

[Almag]

You're agreeing with a false premise.

Look at the graph. The reaction time is longer in the Z06. This hurt its total elapsed 0-100-0 time but has ZERO effect on its braking time, which is longer than the GT-R's.

You should read the article, too. There are loads of driving impressions on the road, track, and dragstrip.

On second thought, why bother? This is a GM forum, so the bias against the GT-R is unshakeable no matter what facts are presented.

[Damestic89]

Originally Posted by Almag

You're agreeing with a false premise.

Look at the graph. The reaction time is longer in the Z06. This hurt its total elapsed 0-100-0 time but has ZERO effect on its braking time, which is longer than the GT-R's.

You should read the article, too. There are loads of driving impressions on the road, track, and dragstrip.

On second thought, why bother? This is a GM forum, so the bias against the GT-R is unshakeable no matter what facts are presented.

Let's not tell them the GT-R got 5 out of 5 stars while the Z06 got 4 out of 5 stars.

[mbukukanyau]

GT-R thanks to its enanny is faster , but not to 100 MPH

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by Almag

You're agreeing with a false premise.

Look at the graph. The reaction time is longer in the Z06. This hurt its total elapsed 0-100-0 time but has ZERO effect on its braking time, which is longer than the GT-R's.

You should read the article, too. There are loads of driving impressions on the road, track, and dragstrip.

On second thought, why bother? This is a GM forum, so the bias against the GT-R is unshakeable no matter what facts are presented.

The reaction time was longer because they said it was accelerating so quickly when they got to 100mph. That leads me to believe that the Z06 went past 100mph, thus it had to come to a stop from a faster speed.

For example:

Car A stops from 100mph (the GTR is an auto and they put their clutch foot over the brake thus stopping at exactly 100mph)

Car B stops from 104mph

Obviously, car A would have the advantage when timing 100-0.

[Almag]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

The reaction time was longer because they said it was accelerating so quickly when they got to 100mph. That leads me to believe that the Z06 went past 100mph, thus it had to come to a stop from a faster speed.

For example:

Car A stops from 100mph (the GTR is an auto and they put their clutch foot over the brake thus stopping at exactly 100mph)

Car B stops from 104mph

Obviously, car A would have the advantage when timing 100-0.

That wouldn't be 0-100-0, then, which is what was presented. It's easy for them to trim the data (they were using a VBOX) for any extra braking (or acceleration) done above 100 mph.

In any case, take out the reaction time nonsense and the Z06 does the 0-100-0 quicker than GT-R.

[Core9797]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

The reaction time was longer because they said it was accelerating so quickly when they got to 100mph. That leads me to believe that the Z06 went past 100mph, thus it had to come to a stop from a faster speed.

For example:

Car A stops from 100mph (the GTR is an auto and they put their clutch foot over the brake thus stopping at exactly 100mph)

Car B stops from 104mph

Obviously, car A would have the advantage when timing 100-0.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't everybody been knocking the GT-R for being significantly larger and thus heavier than the Z06? Which would then actually give the Z06 the advantage in the 0-100-0? So even if the Z06 was braking from say 102 mph (which, if the magazine is letting these people slam on the brakes at 100 mph, they know what they're doing, stop making the driver of the Z06 sound like a retard behind the wheel), the added bulk of the GT-R would put it at a decided disadvantage. Yet it still got up to speed just behind the 'Vette and came to a halt significantly ahead of it...

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by Core9797

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't everybody been knocking the GT-R for being significantly larger and thus heavier than the Z06? Which would then actually give the Z06 the advantage in the 0-100-0? So even if the Z06 was braking from say 102 mph (which, if the magazine is letting these people slam on the brakes at 100 mph, they know what they're doing, stop making the driver of the Z06 sound like a retard behind the wheel), the added bulk of the GT-R would put it at a decided disadvantage. Yet it still got up to speed just behind the 'Vette and came to a halt significantly ahead of it...

That doesn't give the Z06 an unfair advantage because no matter what the Z06 weighs, it is working within its designed parameters. Nissan could've designed a lighter GTR, but they didn't.

Regardless, 100-0 is a pretty useless number imo. If you're on the track, the degree of brake fade over many laps is more important than the timing of a single stop.

Also, tires are one of the most important factors for 100-0 times. The GTR has better factory equipped tires than the Z06.

[Almag]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

That doesn't give the Z06 an unfair advantage because no matter what the Z06 weighs, it is working within its designed parameters. Nissan could've designed a lighter GTR, but they didn't.

Regardless, 100-0 is a pretty useless number imo. If you're on the track, the degree of brake fade over many laps is more important than the timing of a single stop.

Also, tires are one of the most important factors for 100-0 times. The GTR has better factory equipped tires than the Z06.

Using the same logic, GM could've equipped the Z06 with better tires, but they didn't.

I'm curious how the braking distances would change over, say, 5 to 10 stops from speed. This shows the heat capacity of the brakes, rather than just their capability in a single cold braking event. Both are important.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by Almag

Using the same logic, GM could've equipped the Z06 with better tires, but they didn't.

You are using bad reading comprehension.

The above poster said the Z06 had an unfair advantage because it's light (in response to me saying the the Z06 was unfairly stopping from a higher speed).

I never said the GTR's tires give it an unfair advantage. I just said they're better.

[Almag]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

You are using bad reading comprehension.

The above poster said the Z06 had an unfair advantage because it's light (in response to me saying the the Z06 was unfairly stopping from a higher speed).

I never said the GTR's tires give it an unfair advantage. I just said they're better.

And I never said that you said that. Once again, it is you that is demonstrating sub-par reading skills. Furthermore, the poster above never said the Z06 had an unfair advantage due to its lower weight. Just that it is an advantage, which is indisputably true.

His point is that despite this advantage, the Z06 still failed to outbrake the GT-R.

Naturally, there are other factors involved in achieving good braking performance, but weight is a very significant one.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by Almag

And I never said that you said that. Once again, it is you that is demonstrating sub-par reading skills. Furthermore, the poster above never said the Z06 had an unfair advantage due to its lower weight. Just that it is an advantage, which is indisputably true.

Read it again:

Originally Posted by Core9797

hasn't everybody been knocking the GT-R for being significantly larger and thus heavier than the Z06? Which would then actually give the Z06 the advantage in the 0-100-0? So even if the Z06 was braking from say 102 mph the added bulk of the GT-R would put it at a decided disadvantage.

If the Z06 brakes from 102mph - that is unfair. Being lighter would in no way make up for that because the Corvette comes from the factory as a light weight car. Futhermore, even if the cars brake from exactly 100mph, we can't say the GTR has the disadvantage of being heavier - it also also has bigger brakes and better tires.

His point is that despite this advantage, the Z06 still failed to outbrake the GT-R.

As I said, tires are crucial when it comes to braking.

[Almag]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

Read it again:

If the Z06 brakes from 102mph - that is unfair. Being lighter would in no way make up for that because the Corvette comes from the factory as a light weight car. Futhermore, even if the cars brake from exactly 100mph, we can't say the GTR has the disadvantage of being heavier - it also also has bigger brakes and better tires.

As I said, tires are crucial when it comes to braking.

You said: "The above poster said the Z06 had an unfair advantage because it's light."

Where did he say this? Show this.

You won't be able to, because he never said that. You're simply obfuscating his point. More weight = disadvantage. This concept really isn't so difficult to understand.

[Joevette]

stop your whining