EVO magazine: Z06 faster than GTR

[E. Haskell]

I'm on a Miata forum and many of the people there feel the same. They strongly dislike the GTR because it doesn't have a manual trans. They won't buy any sports car without a manual.

It's subjective, but for many people there are no compromises - manual or nothing.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by Core9797

Sooo.......an entry-level Aveo is a true driver's car but the GT-R is not?

No, a Super car with a manual shifter similar to the Aveo described in my post, such as a Z06 with a manual (See picture below) is a true driver's car

Zo6 Shifter Shown

Below is a GT-R eNanny Shifter

[redTT]

Originally Posted by slowRSX

Uh! This aint about the RSX or the HHR dude. So I guess you're trying to get a rise from me. I really don't care if you blew the doors of an RSX or whatever asian brand you claim.

I didn't mean straight line numbers when I said "balanced" . True, it will not be as fast but it is still a fantastic car that any true car enthusiast would like to own.

My dream garage would place the Z06 next to a GTR and a CTS-V next to an Integra Type R et al.

How can it be a balanced car when it lacks the straight line performance (as compared with other exotic cars)?

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by slowRSX

Uh! This aint about the RSX or the HHR dude. So I guess you're trying to get a rise from me. I really don't care if you blew the doors of an RSX or whatever asian brand you claim.

I didn't mean straight line numbers when I said "balanced" . True, it will not be as fast but it is still a fantastic car that any true car enthusiast would like to own.

My dream garage would place the Z06 next to a GTR and a CTS-V next to an Integra Type R et al.

A Z06 is balanced.

[slowRSX]

I'm not saying the Z06 is not balanced.

redTT: We will not know how fast is the GTR without the launch control. Did somone do a test with the launch control off? Don't know.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by slowRSX

I'm not saying the Z06 is not balanced.

redTT: We will not know how fast is the GTR without the launch control. Did somone do a test with the launch control off? Don't know.

I bet its still very fast with Launch eNanny off. But not as fast as it is with the eNanny assist...you probably shave off 2 or more seconds from that speed putting it where the power to weight ration would normally have it

[slowRSX]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

I bet its still very fast with Launch eNanny off. But not as fast as it is with the eNanny assist...

Not gonna argue about that! Peace! We will have different opinions.

btw, I've heard the "enanny" before, so you did not coin it!

[Almag]

The Z06 is not balanced. It is equipped with the Active Handling nanny. It is compromised as a result and will never be a true driver's car.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by slowRSX

Not gonna argue about that! Peace! We will have different opinions.

btw, I've heard the "enanny" before, so you did not coin it!

I did, look and see... I was the first to use it... I beleive its on an autoblog post, or here...

[LAChevy24]

Originally Posted by ctaylorzl1

The GT-R did it in 7:38.54, a few seconds ahead of the Z06(7:42.9). Not big deal, the are both extermely badass supercars, that have almost the same performance specs, I would be glad to have either one!

i might be late to reply to this, but isnt the GT-R's time better because of a running start and scuffed tires? when someone else did it, it was actually i believe 14 seconds slower?

[Core9797]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

No, a Super car with a manual shifter similar to the Aveo described in my post, such as a Z06 with a manual (See picture below) is a true driver's car

I'm just curious why the Aveo was mentioned at all...I know what a manual transmission is, I have two cars equipped with them. I agree to an extent with what you're saying, I don't think sports cars in general (let alone "supercars") should be offered with anything BUT a stick. However, many of the higher-performance cars are equipped with some sort of automated manual (GT-R) or sequential manual (Veyron).

And please, out of respect for my sanity, stop saying "eNanny". You didn't coin it (I first saw the term in an Edmunds.com review) and it's not a good argument as to why one car is superior to another. If anything, more gadgets and gizmos make a car better. We aren't professional race car drivers, so 99% of the driving public couldn't handle these cars with no electronic assistance. Get behind the wheel of an LP640 with no computer-controlled electronic assitance and see how quick you wrap it around a tree. And according to your logic, the Veyron isn't a driver's car either (SMG not withstanding), because among other things, the spoiler automatically adjusts based on your speed to help keep the car from lifting off the ground. If you can't keep the car on the ground at 217 mph with no assistance, I guess you just shouldn't be driving it...leave that to the big boys like mbukukanyau

[vandy0419]

Originally Posted by LAChevy24

i might be late to reply to this, but isnt the GT-R's time better because of a running start and scuffed tires? when someone else did it, it was actually i believe 14 seconds slower?

Yeah, you're exactly right. They can't compare the two if one gets a rolling start at 60 mph and the other starts from a stand still. Also, I heard that instead of going straight to the same starting point, they stopped the clock as it was pulling into the pit...meters before the starting point.

[masrapido]

mbukukanyau:

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_C6

Corvette's manual transmission is fitted with Computer Aided Gear Shifting (CAGS), obligating the driver to shift from 1st directly to 4th when operating at lower RPMs.

The Vette's got "Active Handling" and "Traction Control" as well. The point is that light, high-powered cars like these need to maintain some level of control through computer systems. Just because a car doesn't have a traditional transmission doesn't mean it's not a driver-oriented car. I'd prefer a clutch pedal as well, but F1-derived sequential gearboxes are pretty effective and hardly make the car drive itself.

[JJ26]

Originally Posted by LAChevy24

i might be late to reply to this, but isnt the GT-R's time better because of a running start and scuffed tires? when someone else did it, it was actually i believe 14 seconds slower?

Funny how a misquote becomes what people are constantly repeating. Edmunds cleared up that and Nissan states that the car that ran the 7:38 was running on production tires. As for the flying start...lets do this:

SportAuto has yet to do a super test for the GT-R. However they did do a first drive. They were able to get a 7:50 out of the GT-R. For comparison the 911 Turbo did a 7:54 and the Z06 did a 7:49. All laps are done the same way when SportAuto tests cars.

For right now thats the best comparison anyone is going to get.

[Nico Flax]

Ha ha this is hilarious, of course the Z06 is going to be faster in a straight line then a GTR, if you thought otherwise then you must have no idea of the difference between AWD and RWD.

It is funny how you all cry victor by straight line speed though. Such a simplistic mindset...