Enough is enough! Beijing Copy Cats!

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Does this have any legal standing in court? Can GM sue the Chinese companies for blatantly copying their designs?
I don't see how they can get away with this...

Not in Chinese court.

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Does this have any legal standing in court? Can GM sue the Chinese companies for blatantly copying their designs?
I don't see how they can get away with this...

I believe GM has gotten Chery to change its NA name when it comes as not to be confused with Chevy.

[2648562]

Originally Posted by GrandPrix08

If you think those are bad, then check here:

http://creativeadvertisingworld.com/bmw-7-vs-byd-f6/

Now, that is called a 'Copy', or 'Blatent knockoff' whichever you want to call it. What you posted above isn't as bad. Most if not all car makers sort of do that for the design cues, and I would say, Chinese are definately improving. Only thing they now have to perfect are the safety issues if they ever want to export their cars outside of China.

OMG, they're even ripping off emblems. The sad thing is, it's not just cars.

[2648562]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

Hey I'm only trying to tone things down in this thread. But really my first thought about asians and innovation was this:

That's amazing. I wonder how long those screens will last. Cool as heck though. Just think, if Sony was like Microsoft and had the market all to themselves, what kind of TVs and screens we would be settling for today. Competition is good. Copying=bad. See, I got back on topic.

[Zulehan]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

Razor



Samsung Version which came shortly after Razor was a hit


Mercedes ML



The Lexus RX that followed
, you need more???

That's not much of a copy on the razr. It's thin, whoopdy doo. A lot of cellphones were moving in that direction at the time.

And someone already owned you about the ML/RX

[Zulehan]

Originally Posted by t-rex

"Copycat" simply holds too much to individual interpretation.

I don't see borrowing a design theme, especially one that's fashionable, and used by several automakers as being "copycat".


All other Chinese designs are either products of license agreements or joint ventures, or they're of entirely Chinese design.

I agree. But when you post the copycats, post the originals too. Much more fun.

[Zulehan]

Originally Posted by GMCSonoma

I have deleted ome posts, edited some others in this thread...the offender in question has been removed from the thread...

Let's continue on the topic...

thanks

GMCSonoma

Thanks for editing my post instead of deleting it. I was actually going to go back and edit out the same thing, you beat me to it.

[Htay7500]

in Asia, there are no copyright laws, so most places like thailand or most of SE asia, there are bootlegged CDs from artists ranging to comp software.

[GrandPrix08]

Originally Posted by King Riffle

Wasn't there something about Daewoo having allowed Chery to use that design before GM aquired them? I could be wrong but I swear I read it somewhere.

Actually, No. They NEVER allowed Chery or any Chinese company to use that design. I remember reading the newspaper article from Korea a while back, that Daewoo sued Chery for that, but the Chinese court ruled that Chery had done nothing wrong as if saying it is legal to copy a design on a whole and get away with it in China. Kia I think also sued the Chinese company for that Sorento copy, but the court ruling was the same. Well, the Court is in China, and the people work there is also Chinese, so I guess the outcome will be the same no matter what. They are in the same side so they are covering it up saying it is OK to copy others and get away with it. Problem is, these blatent knock-offs costs a lot less in China than the originals so they are selling well, hurting the original products in sale. Makes me wonder why Mercedes and BMW was quiet in the first place despite knowing that the Chinese copied their cars 100% without license. Perhaps they were saying 'F*** it, we have other markets to sell our cars since we have big number of loyal fans, China isn't really our main market' ?

[GrandPrix08]

Originally Posted by 2648562

OMG, they're even ripping off emblems. The sad thing is, it's not just cars.

Yeah, it's crazy. also, to me, getting a design cue and implementing it to their own design is not so much an offense, as long as they look different. It's just that the Chinese are just not doing that. They just trace the design of the other make, change the logo of their company's, change the name and sell them as their own design, as if they did the whole design themselves.

If the burrowing design cues, modifying it and using it on their own existing design is the sin, then most NON-EUROPEAN and NON-AMERICAN make will get sued. Hyundai for one(though they NEVER had their own design), with their new Genesis sedan(mix of BMW, Merc, Lexus, Infiniti) that isn't a 100% copy of a 1 car, Veracruz, which is just a MODIFIED version of Lexus RX350 with a DIFFERENT interior and different headlights and tail-lights with a longer size, Early Mazda 929, which was pretty much a modified version of the Mercedes, The new Honda Accord which is actually a mix of several different European sedans here and there, Even the American, Pontiac G6 sedan that pretty much tacked on the modified, existing tail-lights of the Hyundai Tiburon and most others will suffer from being sued. Well....

Just a side note, compare these two cars:




For some rear quarter views:


Chrysler actually sued Ssangyong just because they had the same verticle grille with their Wrangler, when Ssangyong was a seperate Korean company who were just about ready to export these 220 HP Mercedes sourced engined SUVs to North America, that they later changed their mind, changed the grille to horizontal, but cancelled their plans for an export to the US. I know they look identicle, but compared to what Chinese did, I don't think these are that bad and I think they would have sold a few if they made it to US.

[KillerMRK]

So yeah, M-B made the concept in '95. Lexus said "Oh hell..." and designed the RX/Harrier, but they probably had pictures of that concept all over the design studio, because they look similar in some areas. Toyota was able to beat out M-B by a few weeks some how.... and so on and so forth.

[Ming]

The funniest one I saw in China on the road was what looked like a Wuling-style breadbox van with a BMW grille. And it looked production, not custom.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by Zulehan

That's not much of a copy on the razr. It's thin, whoopdy doo. A lot of cellphones were moving in that direction at the time.

And someone already owned you about the ML/RX

no, my ml RX aurgument still stands, becouse of this 1995 Mercedes VRC concept which toyota did not have in 1995

also, my ls vs s class still stands too. ( the u are racist one died)

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[Zulehan]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

no, my ml RX aurgument still stands, becouse of this 1995 Mercedes VRC concept which toyota did not have in 1995

also, my ls vs s class still stands too. ( the u are racist one died)

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The B-pillar design, sure that's a lot like it. But you didn't show the grille/headlight area. Looks to me like Benz followed Toyota on that front.

LS? That's just the direction the S-Class and its competitors were headed at the time. The only similarities those two sedans have are the same similarities they shared with a great majority of large sedans of that era. Besides, it looks more like an evolution of the previous Toyota Crown. Your comparison is totally baseless.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by Zulehan

The B-pillar design, sure that's a lot like it. But you didn't show the grille/headlight area. Looks to me like Benz followed Toyota on that front.

LS? That's just the direction the S-Class and its competitors were headed at the time. The only similarities those two sedans have are the same similarities they shared with a great majority of large sedans of that era. Besides, it looks more like an evolution of the previous Toyota Crown. Your comparison is totally baseless.

I am not shy of admitting when I am wrong, Prove is in the pictures.. Post them here and state your case. Here is the entire VRC Range. Note the front is first gen ML and C Class, Your Job is to show me something from 1994 that looks anything close to the Toyota RX/harrier