Edmunds tests the US spec GTR

[HoosierRon]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

GT-R: 0.96
Cobalt SS: 0.89

Z06: 1.18

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._handling.html

[void.crusader]

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

Z06: 1.18

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._handling.html

Wow. You have a 5000 posts and still don't know the difference between skidpad g's and track measured g's?
That's sad, mate.

[Htay7500]

I LOVE both the new GTR and z06& zr1, its a three-way tug-o-war!!!

[rozz]

Originally Posted by tholland

Funny, the grill kinda' reminds me of a carp. The design doesn't excite me, although I'm sure driving one would.

Carp?

[plane]

Originally Posted by rozz

Carp?

Yeah, yeah,
I'm grabbing an Espresso from Starbucks on the way to work yesterday,
you know, the usual,
and as I ease into my Veryon,
I get this instant musty fish odor
and suddenly my pants are sticky wet,
And the shifter and steering wheel feel really mushy.
And it smells like goldfish food burps all around.

And then it hit me.
That's when I realized I was inside the carp.

[plane]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

Ok, so Viper is closer to GT-R on dragstip than track.

However I fail to see how Viper is "old".
4 gen was out in 2008.
600hp aluminum block with VVT tuned by McLaren and Ricardo (original casting by Lamborghini)
Lightweight chassis
Double-wishbones all around
Fat Michelin PS2 tires
Costs 90K
Far less exotic? Hardly.

The 7:59 track time you quoted was run in 2005.
That means that particular Viper was designed in 2002.
While that's not 10 years (for some reason '97 sticks as a good year for the viper), it's 5 years and an eternity, an entire generation in high-end cars.

We have yet to see a ring time for the 2008 Viper.
But if I were going to drive a Viper, any Viper, it would be this one.....



Now, this is much more appealing to me.....



And of course let's not forget.....



Finally....



All other things equal, given a free pass, I'm pretty sure which one I would choose.

[void.crusader]

Originally Posted by plane

The 7:59 track time you quoted was run in 2005.

You already forgot that you was talking about time slips?
We have time slips that show that the much older, far less exotic Viper will run with the GT-R. Stock.

All other things equal, given a free pass, I'm pretty sure which one I would choose.

Camouflaged GT-R photo? Do you really think anyone will fall to such trick? Please, be more inventive next time.



I know which one I would take. I would take best car overall.
The one you could live with on regular basis and not kill yourself next winter.
And it's not ACR, Z06 or GT3RS for sure.

[plane]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

You already forgot that you was talking about time slips?

Your ring lap time comparison is against a Viper that is no longer produced.
We've already shown that the 2008 Viper will match the Nissan in the 1/4 mile.
We have yet to see a ring time in this thread for a 2008 Viper or the ACR.

Originally Posted by void.crusader

Camouflaged GT-R photo? Do you really think anyone will fall to such trick? Please, be more inventive next time.

What are you smoking?
I'm trying to have some fun with this thread, including some pictures.
If the biggest, most detailed picture in my post seems somehow biased or slanted to you, by all means post your own pictures.

Originally Posted by void.crusader

I know which one I would take. I would take best car overall.
The one you could live with on regular basis and not kill yourself next winter.
And it's not ACR, Z06 or GT3RS for sure.

Yeah. Um. No.
Yeah, I would take the best car overall.
And no, not the car you hinted at.

[emh]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

I know which one I would take. I would take best car overall.
The one you could live with on regular basis and not kill yourself next winter.
And it's not ACR, Z06 or GT3RS for sure.

Um... you'd take a GT-R over a GT3 RS??
I guess I'd do the same if I was living with the belief every owner of a GT3, Z06 etc. died come winter...

[Corr69]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

Do you still living in it's time or you are in 2008?

Where was Ferrari Enzo or McLaren F1 in 1920? They suck and Ford Model T FTW.

Why should we bother with times from different sources? These 7-9s Vipers are obviously not stock. What's your point then?

We have legit times from edmunds, with 600hp stock Viper and production USDM stock GT-R. And Viper doesn't have any advantage. What a drama and reality check for some folks.

Another reality check will be at the actual strip, where GT-R can be launched ten times in a row and get results within 0.1s. Good luck doing that with stick.

Actually with a proper driver the Z06 runs low 11s BONE STOCK on STOCK TIRES.

It also has waaay higher trap speeds than the GTR, in a straight line, the Z06 blows the doors off of the GTR. Edmunds drivers just suck! 12 seconds? Please I see tons of videos with average joes pulling 11.5s all day.

[a_v_s]

Originally Posted by Corr69

Actually with a proper driver the Z06 runs low 11s BONE STOCK on STOCK TIRES.

It also has waaay higher trap speeds than the GTR, in a straight line, the Z06 blows the doors off of the GTR. Edmunds drivers just suck! 12 seconds? Please I see tons of videos with average joes pulling 11.5s all day.

Not that it matters, but wheneverI go to the track, I hardly ever see anyone tooling around in bone-stock cars. They usually at least have a few bolt-ons.

Also, Edmunds is not the only one that has tested the GTR and Z06. R&T also tested the US Spec GT-R when they took the cars to buttonwillow. They mentioned they tested 0-60 and 1/4 mile, and they said the cars were pretty much dead even in those two tests. (albeit the Z06 still trapped faster)... But it did not help, as the Z06 still lost by over 5 seconds at buttonwillow.

[void.crusader]

Originally Posted by emh

Um... you'd take a GT-R over a GT3 RS?? I guess I'd do the same if I was living with the belief every owner of a GT3, Z06 etc. died come winter...

Um ... you'd take GT3RS - caged car on half-slicks with no sound-deadening, no aircon/stereo over relatively practical GT-R? I guess I'd do the same if I was living on the track 100% of the time. But even then ... why bother with GT3RS if GT-R would be faster on track anyway?

Originally Posted by Corr69

It also has waaay higher trap speeds than the GTR, in a straight line, the Z06 blows the doors off of the GTR. Edmunds drivers just suck! 12 seconds? Please I see tons of videos with average joes pulling 11.5s all day.

GT-R 11.6 @ 120
Z06 11.7 @ 125

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rformance.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...tion_runs.html

MT too should hire some average joes. It's dead heat between GT-R and Z06.

[emh]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

Um ... you'd take GT3RS - caged car on half-slicks with no sound-deadening, no aircon/stereo over relatively practical GT-R? I guess I'd do the same if I was living on the track 100% of the time. But even then ... why bother with GT3RS if GT-R would be faster on track anyway?

Maybe I...
a) Don't believe in relative practicality -- it's either practical or it's not
b) Happen to know that GT3 RS has airconditioning, stereo, navigation etc.
c) Believe there's more to a sports car than stats
d) Am vain and want other people to think I have some semblence of good taste
e) Not recovered from my previous "Nissan ownership experience" yet
f) All of the above

[void.crusader]

Originally Posted by emh

Maybe I...
a) Don't believe in relative practicality -- it's either practical or it's not
b) Happen to know that GT3 RS has airconditioning, stereo, navigation etc.
c) Believe there's more to a sports car than stats
d) Am vain and want other people to think I have some semblence of good taste
e) Not recovered from my previous "Nissan ownership experience" yet
f) All of the above

a) everything in this world is relative
b) can I have back rear seats and quiet cabin please?
c) yep, that's why EVO choosed GT-R over R8 for the road
d) beware people might think you are freak driving around in the caged car
e) which model?

[emh]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

a) everything in this world is relative
b) can I have back rear seats and quiet cabin please?
c) yep, that's why EVO choosed GT-R over R8 for the road
d) beware people might think you are freak driving around in the caged car
e) which model?

I see you conveniently ignored your flat out lie (or ignorance) about the GT3 RS not having AC or stereo... Well ain't that the beauty of internet message boards .