Car and Driver: GTR vs M3 vs 911 Turbo

[AG3]

Originally Posted by redTT

Wasnt the Road and Track test driven by a well known Nissan test and former racer? Hardly fair if you ask me.

They invited Nissan's former factory driver Steve Millen to drive the GTR, Z06 and 911 Turbo.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ct_OnTrack.pdf

PS: This is the Nissan 300ZX he used to race...

[JBsZ06]

Lets have a corvette driver drive the corvette so we can get some objective testing.

I don't mind if they have Steve Millen WHOSE ON NISSANS PAYROLL but the competitors such as the corvette or Porsche should really be given the same opportunity?

Just to keep things fair.

JMO

[AG3]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

Lets have a corvette driver drive the corvette so we can get some objective testing.

I don't mind if they have Steve Millen WHOSE ON NISSANS PAYROLL but the competitors such as the corvette or Porsche should really be given the same opportunity?

Just to keep things fair.

JMO

Steve Millen no longer races for Nissan. He retired from professional racing in 1996.

One of his more recent races was in New Zealand, the annual New Zealand Targa Rally.
He raced in his tuned Stillen Ford GT.


His company still tunes Nissans(mainly Z-cars), but now they also tune Fords... they also sell aftermarket parts/ performance parts for Pontiac, Chevrolet, GMC, BMW, Mazda, Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Subaru etc.

Stillen Yukon Denali GTS

[Nico Flax]

^ Yet some people still can't believe it... oh well it's a GM forever and domestic guys never let anything go.

[JBsZ06]

I beleive the C6 Z51 will run closer to the 70 grand GTR at VIR and that the Z06 will be much quicker around the track....JMO

As far as Millen?

MIllens' on Nissans payroll.

Didn't see any test drivers like Heirnecy(SP) from GM. Maybe I missed it.....Did you hear that GM retired race car drivers were at the magazine testing that day or was it just a nissan payroll "retired" racer named Millen?

I don't mean to be wise guy but would any of us expect Millen to be faster in a porsche or a Chevy?

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by AG3

His company still tunes Nissans(mainly Z-cars), but now they also tune Fords... they also sell aftermarket parts/ performance parts for Pontiac, Chevrolet, GMC, BMW, Mazda, Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Subaru etc.

His company still specializes in Nissan cars.

Experts in 350Z Performance, G37 Performance, Titan Performance, G35 Performance, Maxima Performance, Mustang Performance, FX35 Performance, 300ZX Performance, F150 Performance, Silverado Performance, Ford GT Performance. STILLEN offers a complete line of Peformance and Styling products for your Nissan 350Z, Infiniti G35, Nissan Titan, Ford Mustang, Ford GT, Nissan Maxima, Nissan Altima, Nissan Sentra, Nissan 300ZX, Infiniti FX35, Nissan Armada, Nissan Frontier, Chevy Silverado, Chevy Pickup, Ford F-150, Ford Pickup, Dodge Ram, Dodge Pickup, Ford Super Duty, Ford F250, Ford F350, Nissan 240, Infiniti M45, Infiniti M35, Nissan 240SX, Ford Expedition, Chevy Suburban, Chevy Tahoe, Dodge Charger, Chrysler 300, Chrysler 300C, Pontiac GTO, Dodge Magnum, Nissan 200SX, and much, much more. Plus the absolute best Big Brake Kits, Performance Rotors and Brake Products on the market. Don't see what you are looking for? Call one of our Performance Specialists today!

Hmm, aside from trucks, that's just about all Nissan.

He also advertises the GTR test on his website: http://www.stillen.com/project_vehic...road_track.asp

Hmm, trying to sell parts/help sell cars?

[big swede]

This was a test of 3 of the sweetest 4 SEAT cars on the market today. It’s funny when the Corvette was actually compared that in different article the Corvette guys say it had to win because of power on the piece of paper, yet when the M3 wins with the least power it is perfectly acceptable. Some of you guys will take one instance in an article and twist it and tweak it until it puts the Corvette in the lead. Give it up there are other great cars besides the Vette that wasn’t even in the comparison on this day.

Corvette guys have to collectively be the most insecure bunch of enthusiasts of any brand. We all love the Corvette it’s an excellent car, especially for the money, but believe it or not there are cars that will come out on top from time to time. Can we at least let the Corvette rest until it’s actually in the comparison and both cars are production. Again the article and this post had nothing to do with the Corvette, give it a rest along with your insecurities. And we wonder why there was a Corvette jab in the article, can you imagine the mail they got from that original article. hahaha

[a_v_s]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

Didn't see any test drivers like Heirnecy(SP) from GM. Maybe I missed it.....Did you hear that GM retired race car drivers were at the magazine testing that day or was it just a nissan payroll "retired" racer

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. I thought the whole point of being objective, is to have the same person drive all the cars to remove as many variables as possible....

I also don't see why people would think that he wouldn't be able to drive the other cars. What's the difference? If you spend your entire life racing high powered RWD and AWD vehicles from company A. What makes you think they wouldn't be able to drive a high powered RWD vehicle from company B?

Especially if you tune your own cars, you would think you would know to drive with various engine, transmission, brake, etc setups.

Now I'm not trying to defend the tests, the GTR, or anyhting like that. I'm just trying to be objective. I'd feel the same way if a "GM tuner/driver" did the same tests, and showed the opposite results.

You guys make it sound like if a professional race-car driver, went home, and was tooling around in their Accord/Malibu/etc, and was driving spiritedly on the street, they would get in a fiery crash, because they don't know how to effectively handle that car at its limits, because they don't professionally race Accords/Malibus/etc

[E. Haskell]

Future test and real world racing will alleviate all doubts.

[ZeroDrag]

Originally Posted by big swede

Corvette guys have to collectively be the most insecure bunch of enthusiasts of any brand.

You really have to take a look at the demographics of the corvette owners. Sure there are rocket scientists that own corvettes, but it's mostly the hill-billy hicks that brag about it.

[redTT]

Originally Posted by ZeroDrag

You really have to take a look at the demographics of the corvette owners. Sure there are rocket scientists that own corvettes, but it's mostly the hill-billy hicks that brag about it.

Borderline racism!!!!!!!!!!

If you can afford a $70k Corvette ZO6 then I guess that you must have done something right. My guess is that the majority of ZO6 owners are either professionals or own their own business. How else can they afford an expensive weekend car that drinks more than a prius.

[ZeroDrag]

Originally Posted by redTT

Borderline racism!!!!!!!!!!

If you can afford a $70k Corvette ZO6 then I guess that you must have done something right. My guess is that the majority of ZO6 owners are either professionals or own their own business. How else can they afford an expensive weekend car that drinks more than a prius.

Nope, no racism here, not even borderline. See, your definition of "doing something right" depends on how much money one makes. That's hill-billy attitude. I know a few Z06 owners and many Corvette owners that are very rich and primarily own their own businesses. Lot of them have very little education. For example, I know this real estate guy (hotelier) who used be a construction worker 25 years ago. Now he owns bunch of hotels/resorts nationwide and has an impressive American muscle car collection. The dude can't even write his name properly.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by ZeroDrag

Nope, no racism here, not even borderline. See, your definition of "doing something right" depends on how much money one makes. That's hill-billy attitude. I know a few Z06 owners and many Corvette owners that are very rich and primarily own their own businesses. Lot of them have very little education. For example, I know this real estate guy (hotelier) who used be a construction worker 25 years ago. Now he owns bunch of hotels/resorts nationwide and has an impressive American muscle car collection. The dude can't even write his name properly.

So you're jealous and use the internet to vent your frustration? I can almost guarantee that real estate guy isn't on the internet talking about you.

BTW - education doesn't make one a good person anymore than having a lot of money makes one a good person.

Regardless, all you are doing is throwing around opinions and unverifiable facts about people that drive a certain vehicle.

[zete]

So, the article is telling us that it's a Nissan and behaves and sounds that way .

[ZeroDrag]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

So you're jealous and use the internet to vent your frustration? I can almost guarantee that real estate guy isn't on the internet talking about you.

Oh I can guarantee that Nissan/Toyota, or any Asian manufacturer don't give a rats ass about you, but you're the one venting your frustration here and bad mouthing about them all the time.

Does that make you jealous? May be?