Car and Driver: GT-R vs 911 GT2 vs Z06 vs Viper ACR

[void.crusader]

1st place: GT-R
2nd place: 911 GT2
3rd place Viper SRT10 ACR
4th place: Corvette Z06

Buttonwillow Raceway, 2.7 miles
1:55.7 Viper SRT10 ACR
1:59.7 911 GT2
2:01.1 GT-R
2:01.7 Corvette Z06

ACR and GT2 were on Pilot Cup semi-slicks. GT-R was on second-best Bridges.

ACR would win if was more civil. GT2 would win if price was no object. They found Z06 too soft.



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[JerryL]

So buy some tires and shocks !! For the price difference you could afford them !!

[JT87]

If only the Z06 came stock with Michelin PS2's...

So the GTR got a free 5 points for having F-Body like rear seat room... And of course GM lost no less than 10 points in the Gotta Have It/Fun to Drive factors... That makes too much sense!

[E. Haskell]

If you subtract the subjective criteria: gotta have it/fun to drive/exterior styling/interior styling and the stupid 5 points they gave the GTR for having a backseat, the final score is:

GTR - 139 points
Z06 - 135 points
GT2 - 129 points
Viper - 129 points

Basically a 4 way tie and too close to call without the subjective factors. The Z06 is nearly 3 years old so mags aren't going to swoon over it like they do newer cars.

BTW - judging by the GTR's 7:29 'Ring time, isn't it supposed to ***** slap the GT2 and Z06 on the track?? Waz up wit dat?

[E. Haskell]

Another test with the GTR not performing as expected:

Quattroruote tested the following cars at Vairano Track (Italy)
Ferrari 430 Scuderia

Lap time: 1.15,375
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.76s
0-200km/h(124mph):11.64s
(3207lbs)1458kg + driver


Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4

Lap time: 1.15,714
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.65s
0-200km/h(124mph):11.09s
(3498lbs)1590kg + driver


Porsche 997 GT2

Lap time: 1.15,528
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.87s
0-200km/h(124mph):12.04s
(3410lbs)1550kg with driver

Nissan GT-R

Lap time: 1.17,600
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.87s
0-200km/h(124mph):13.15s
(3960lbs)1800kg + driver


The GTR was over 2 seconds slower than the GT2 on a 1:15 second track....

[CobaltSScrazy]

gtr doesn't have the crazy 'test' driver supplied by nissan again...

EPIC FAIL. FTL

CobaltSS

[void.crusader]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

BTW - judging by the GTR's 7:29 'Ring time, isn't it supposed ***** slap the GT2 and Z06 on the track?? Waz up wit dat?

Nissan said Dunlops SP worth 4-5 secs on the 'Ring over more comfort Bridgestones. They used base GT-R with Dunlops for record setting runs.

Substract ~1 sec on Buttonwillow and base GT-R would go toe-to-toe with semi-slicked GT2.

The GTR was over 2 seconds slower than the GT2 on a 1:15 second track....

Not bad, considering that GT2 is $120,000 more expensive and weared semi-slicks.

These guys at Italian mag should be really desperate to compare $70K car to $200K cars. But looks like they don't have a choice, GT-R would kill anything european close to it's price.

[plane]

I guess I'm having a hard time why anyone but a <censored> would crave the GTR?
It's not putting up track dusting numbers.
Sadly, it's not King of the Ring.
The styling is vintage '70's box cutter - not an appealing line in sight.
And it took reviewer preference and a back seat to put it over the top in this comparo.
WTH?
If that isn't standing behind momma's skirt, nothing is.

[AndrewGS]

ZO6 is too soft?

Maybe they should put some Pilot Cups on the GT-R and ZO6 to even it out, or perhaps put PS2s on the GT2 and ACR.

Any test with "gotta have it" points isn't work reading anyways.

[void.crusader]

• Nordschleife in 7:29.03
• 0-60 in 3.2s, 1/4 in 11.6s (with launch control)
• $70K
• Seats four

It's in a class of its own.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

Nissan said Dunlops SP worth 4-5 secs on the 'Ring over more comfort Bridgestones. They used base GT-R with Dunlops for record setting runs.

Substract ~1 sec on Buttonwillow and base GT-R would go toe-to-toe with semi-slicked GT2.

The Bridgestones have a 140 treadwear rating compared to 200 for the Dunlops. I doubt the Dunlops would pick up 1 second on a 2 minute track. What Nissan says means nothing to me (they've been known to lie). Regardless, it would still be slower.

Not bad, considering that GT2 is $120,000 more expensive and weared semi-slicks.

But didn't the GTR run 7:29 around the 'Ring? The best time I've seen for the GT2 is 7:32 with Walter Roehrl behind the wheel. Now the GT2 is 2.1 seconds (a lot) faster on a 1:15 track. Something doesn't add up.

These guys at Italian mag should be really desperate to compare $70K car to $200K cars. But looks like they don't have a choice, GT-R would kill anything european close to it's price.

Not really. The Italians have never tried to compete on price. The Corvette has been embarrassing the best European cars in track comparisons for years...

[plane]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

It's in a class of its own.

You're preaching to the choir on that one.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

• Nordschleife in 7:29.03
• 0-60 in 3.2s, 1/4 in 11.6s (with launch control)
• $70K
• Seats four

It's in a class of its own.

In the test you made this thread about, the GTR did:

• 0-60 in 4.1
• 1/4 mile in 12.6@111
• 0-100 in 26.6

In other words, it would get beat by a base C6 in a straight line.

[void.crusader]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

The Bridgestones have a 140 treadwear rating compared to 200 for the Dunlops. I doubt the Dunlops would pick up 1 second on a 2 minute track.

The Dunlop is a little noisier and not quite as good in the wet as the RE070R, but in the dry it's worth 4-5 seconds around the 'Ring.
http://drivers-republic.com/news/art...d680bdf&page=1

If it's 4-5s on 12.9 mi:
2.7mi / 12.9mi --> 0.8-1 sec

What Nissan says means nothing to me (they've been known to lie). Regardless, it would still be slower.

What lie you talking about?
May be slower. Lightweight V-spec with 550hp and semi-slicks will be GT2 fighter, not base GT-R.

But didn't the GTR run 7:29 around the 'Ring? The best time I've seen for the GT2 is 7:32 with Walter Roehrl behind the wheel. Now the GT2 is 2.1 seconds (a lot) faster on a 1:15 track. Something doesn't add up.

Suzuki drives GT-R for months. How much time Quattroroute test driver was given? Couple hours?

Not really. The Italians have never tried to compete on price. The Corvette has been embarrassing the best European cars in track comparisons for years...

Yeah, they are more in boutique business than in auto business. Lambo lives only because Germans feed them.

In other words, it would get beat by a base C6 in a straight line.

In other words, they should use launch control next time.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by void.crusader

The Dunlop is a little noisier and not quite as good in the wet as the RE070R, but in the dry it's worth 4-5 seconds around the 'Ring.
http://drivers-republic.com/news/art...d680bdf&page=1

If it's 4-5s on 12.9 mi:
2.7mi / 12.9mi --> 0.8-1 sec

As I said, I don't care about what Nissan says.

What lie you talking about?

I remember something about a GTR running 7:59 and some great drivers running 8:20s. It also looks like this GTR isn't running like a 7:29 car...

May be slower. Lightweight V-spec with 550hp and semi-slicks will be GT2 fighter, not base GT-R.

But didn't the non V-spec run the 'Ring in 7:29? How in the world could it be 2.1 seconds slower in a 1:15 track?

Suzuki drives GT-R for months. How much time Quattroroute test driver was given? Couple hours?

This makes no sense. What should they do...let the drivers practice in the GTR for a couple months and then do a comparison test??? LOL.

In other words, they should use launch control next time.

How do you know they didn't? BTW - no amount of launch control will make a 111 mph car run 11.6.