Which Cadillac Is Better Than The Hyundai Genesis?

[GrandPrix08]

I think it is really a matter of personal taste. Well, as not a fan of any Korean Cars(and I am Korean, which says a lot, well, at least for me), well, except one, the Oulim motors, and as a fan of big American sedans(minus Chevy), if I have money and a choice, I would prefer to drive the Cadillac over a Genesis, no matter how good the Hyundai really is, and I am pretty confident that I am not the only one. It's this, one thing that Hyundai still really have disadvantages of. The brand. Right now, unless they create a new luxury division and build their reputation, not just on the cars, but the Dealer experience that includes the red-carpet treament that all the other premium brands offer, it will hurt the cars due to the serious handicap it has. The flying H logo, which is still one of the turn offs for most American car buyers, which is still synonomous for a cheaper alternative to the big boys.

As I have seen in Sal's Genesis site, there are many, many potential customers whom are turning their back on the Genesis and move to the better known brands due to the poor dealer treatments that their salesmen have been so used to in selling the other Hyundai lines. Made it worse by the garbage called 'Market Adjustment' fees they charge ABOVE the MSRP that chases away the potential buyers. The simple rule is that, even if the car is good(and I admit, the Genesis is a good car, though I have never seen one cruising in NJ yet), if all dealers want to do is to rip off it's customers just to get more money out of their pocket when EVERYONE already knows the definate MSRP that are official, NO-ONE will buy it and get ripped off. Simple fact. It's these things that the Genesis have a serious problem on if they were to sold as a Hyundai name.

There are still far more percentage of people who will spend some extra and rather get the better known brand with better reputation than to go to the Hyundai dealership and being ripped off on the NEW luxury sedan by Hyundai that is yet unproven.

My 2 cents.

[PMC the 1st]

Originally Posted by emh

That's what I thought (re. the Genesis). I knew the Escalade had fake wood, which is inexcusable given the rest of the Cadillac lineup (including cheaper vehicles) have real wood trim.

Both the Genesis and Escalade should have real wood trim (as well as other non-wood, non-fake trim options) given their price points.


Lexus build quality isn't what it used to be -- both the LS and IS I recently testdrove had their fair share of misaligned panels and loose-feeling trim pieces.

What's interesting with the Inside Line review of the Hyundai Genesis, is that Edmund's mistakenly listed the trim as real wood. This tells me that they had very minimal time with the vehicle.

And no, Sal, I'm not ragging on the Genesis; I'm just pointing out a discrepancy that has to be cleared up. Also, I happen to like the Genesis. It's a good car. A great car, perhaps, if you consider the price point.

[PMC the 1st]

Originally Posted by FStephenMasek

Just like our elections, your poll needs a "none of the above" choice.

What difference would it make? No one would have chosen that poll selection anyway...

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by PMC the 1st

What difference would it make? No one would have chosen that poll selection anyway...

Considering the fact that myself and FStephenMasek would have chosen that option, you should consider the possibility that regardless of what percentage would do so, it would be a large quantity of people. In other words - only a small amount of people have even seen this discussion. So two is a lot. And that doesn't count anyone else who may have thought this and didn't mention it.

Believe me. It's not just FStephenMasek and I who don't feel Cadillac lacks an advantage over Hyundai besides history and perception.

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by PMC the 1st

What's interesting with the Inside Line review of the Hyundai Genesis, is that Edmund's mistakenly listed the trim as real wood. This tells me that they had very minimal time with the vehicle.

And no, Sal, I'm not ragging on the Genesis; I'm just pointing out a discrepancy that has to be cleared up. Also, I happen to like the Genesis. It's a good car. A great car, perhaps, if you consider the price point.

...or maybe the wood looked good enough to fool them. The average person has no idea what's real wood and fake - most of the time...

[Sal Collaziano]

The fact that you would choose a Cadillac over the Genesis isn't the point of this discussion. I personally feel that there is no Cadillac specifically better than the Genesis - still, I would choose to drive a Cadillac. I just like Cadillacs better than Hyundais. But there's no telling how I'll feel down the road...

Originally Posted by GrandPrix08

I think it is really a matter of personal taste. Well, as not a fan of any Korean Cars(and I am Korean, which says a lot, well, at least for me), well, except one, the Oulim motors, and as a fan of big American sedans(minus Chevy), if I have money and a choice, I would prefer to drive the Cadillac over a Genesis, no matter how good the Hyundai really is, and I am pretty confident that I am not the only one. It's this, one thing that Hyundai still really have disadvantages of. The brand. Right now, unless they create a new luxury division and build their reputation, not just on the cars, but the Dealer experience that includes the red-carpet treament that all the other premium brands offer, it will hurt the cars due to the serious handicap it has. The flying H logo, which is still one of the turn offs for most American car buyers, which is still synonomous for a cheaper alternative to the big boys.

As I have seen in Sal's Genesis site, there are many, many potential customers whom are turning their back on the Genesis and move to the better known brands due to the poor dealer treatments that their salesmen have been so used to in selling the other Hyundai lines. Made it worse by the garbage called 'Market Adjustment' fees they charge ABOVE the MSRP that chases away the potential buyers. The simple rule is that, even if the car is good(and I admit, the Genesis is a good car, though I have never seen one cruising in NJ yet), if all dealers want to do is to rip off it's customers just to get more money out of their pocket when EVERYONE already knows the definate MSRP that are official, NO-ONE will buy it and get ripped off. Simple fact. It's these things that the Genesis have a serious problem on if they were to sold as a Hyundai name.

There are still far more percentage of people who will spend some extra and rather get the better known brand with better reputation than to go to the Hyundai dealership and being ripped off on the NEW luxury sedan by Hyundai that is yet unproven.

My 2 cents.

[jry]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

...or maybe the wood looked good enough to fool them. The average person has no idea what's real wood and fake - most of the time...

Good point.
They are paid to be accurate in their analysis, though.

[jry]

Originally Posted by emh

That's what I thought (re. the Genesis). I knew the Escalade had fake wood, which is inexcusable given the rest of the Cadillac lineup (including cheaper vehicles) have real wood trim.

Both the Genesis and Escalade should have real wood trim (as well as other non-wood, non-fake trim options) given their price points.


Lexus build quality isn't what it used to be -- both the LS and IS I recently testdrove had their fair share of misaligned panels and loose-feeling trim pieces.

EMH, where in the Escalade is the fake wood????

[PMC the 1st]

Originally Posted by jry

EMH, where in the Escalade is the fake wood????

Dashboard, steering wheel and console is real wood, elsewhere, fake (but not stated in the link):
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...c-escalade.htm

[Sal Collaziano]

Amazing. Even Motor Trend realizes that Cadillac, the top luxury brand in America, needs to build something as high quality as the Hyundai Genesis.. Not only that, we've already discussed this in another recent thread - I just forget where it is.

Originally Posted by Motor Trend

The DT7 is precisely the sort of flagship car Cadillac needs to be considered a legitimate player in the luxury segment, a car that should play with Mercedes S-Class, BMW 7 Series, Lexus LS 460, and-yes-Hyundai's astounding new Genesis sedan.

Hyundai > Cadillac - wow...

[2002 Caddy]

Its even more depressing when you add the point that Motor Trend "glosses" over...

The DT7 is on hold indefinitely (as in maybe someday... call us back in 2014,15,16)... and the DT7's new engine is CANCELLED (as in never).

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by 2002 Caddy

Its even more depressing when you add the point that Motor Trend "glosses" over...

The DT7 is on hold indefinitely (as in maybe someday... call us back in 2014,15,16)... and the DT7's new engine is CANCELLED (as in never).

I think Cadillac has a lot of good things coming in the future. Some near, some not so near. I just hope they get back on the full-size luxury sedan bandwagon because that's what Cadillac is TO ME. I also like big cars much more than small cars. I can be satisfied with small Cadillacs - but I cannot be 100% pleased without a big, full-size luxury sedan. There will Always be a market for large vehicles...

[sonjaab]

SAL......You must of fallen and hit yer head with a poll like that!!!!!!!!!!!

Comparing any Caddy to a POS hundy!

I don't know what to do next time I'm in WPB........
Either take you to lunch at John Gs or toss ya off
the Singer Island bridge !!!!!!!!!!!!!

j/k..............geo

[Millefune]

I too would have chosen the "none" option. The reason is because for what you pay, the Genesis is too good. I sat in one (couldn't convince the dealer to take it out of the showroom), and it's seriously broken. Broken as in video game terminology for "it's too damn good, they need to fix it and make it not so good in order to make it fair for the competition."

[coaster.n3rd]

I've sat in the Genesis and I see them running up and down the road outside work as Bosch is just around the corner.

I'm impressed, but i would buy a Lexus before I buy a Hyundai. While the materials used are quality, they are not up to par with Mercedes, Lexus, Cadillac, Jag etc....

Hyundai has a long way to go in my book. The CTS styling alone makes the Genesis look like a childs toy. Infact, the styling of the genesis (however subjective this issue may be) looks like every other korean, japanese luxo wish-mobile. That can be summed up in word. Boring.

That said...

Sal,

You could have started a thread that was titled: 'I love Genesis' or drawn a picture of you and the Genesis getting married, raising kids... ****, you could have even just carved S.C. + H.G. 4 EVR on a tree inside a heart and you would have gotten your point across without starting some tired boring poll to get your point across.