Which Cadillac Is Better Than The Hyundai Genesis?

[BigAls87Z28]

Genesis is deffinatly a huge jump for Hyundai, and what Buick should be making currently.
But really, as much as some of us really like GM, we can look at a car from Holden like a loaded Commodore model with V8 and all the luxury, and that would best just about every car in GM NA's current line up.

Hell, a loaded Astra has some things that GM NA doesnt offer.
Look at the technology that is coming in the Insignia?

[emh]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

What disturbs me most is that I can't find a car at Cadillac that's as roomy, comfortable, powerful and luxurious as the Genesis.. That car should be the DTS, hands down.. Why it's not? I have no idea.. I'm just hoping that the STS/DTS replacement AND the ultra luxury sedan are both, at the VERY least, as roomy, comfortable, powerful and luxurious as the Genesis...

No argument that DTS and STS are way overdue for a redesign. The DT7 and the Alpha Cadillac needed to be on the market by next year at the latest (2010 model year). Based on what's been posted here, both those cars won't appear until 2011 or 2012. By that time, Cadillac's current lineup (except CTS) will be utterly irrelevant.

Keep in mind that Hyundai is also working on a car that they say compares to the Bentley Flying Spur in size, power and features. It would really bother me if Cadillac comes out with the DTS/STS replacement or ultra luxury sedan and can't compete with this thing.

IMO, Hyundai could develop a space shuttle and it'll still be a Hyundai. Unless they launch a separate luxury brand, these cars are more about building credibility to sell their lower end cars than competing with true luxury brands in the US market. Remember, Mazda tried the "luxury car without the luxury brand overheads" strategy without much success.

[91 s-10baja]

irrelevant. IMO no vote.

[377Z]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Genesis is deffinatly a huge jump for Hyundai, and what Buick should be making currently.
But really, as much as some of us really like GM, we can look at a car from Holden like a loaded Commodore model with V8 and all the luxury, and that would best just about every car in GM NA's current line up.

Hell, a loaded Astra has some things that GM NA doesnt offer.
Look at the technology that is coming in the Insignia?

100% agree.

[CACressida]

Its a stunning car on the inside, drives very good but the exterior styling is just at the price range. I'm thinking Genisis needs a sharper look. The interior feels like 70,000 dollars worth tho. I dunno bout you guys but I think my next vehicles gonna be a Hyundai... Its Toyota all over again.

[jry]

Originally Posted by CACressida

Its a stunning car on the inside, drives very good but the exterior styling is just at the price range. I'm thinking Genisis needs a sharper look. The interior feels like 70,000 dollars worth tho. I dunno bout you guys but I think my next vehicles gonna be a Hyundai... Its Toyota all over again.

I think the interior materials are fine, its the use of them that sucks.
It is Toyota all over again.

[PMC the 1st]

The Genesis is sure to take hits by the motoring press with regards to controls; I mean, there aren't any! Quality appears high, but with such an uncluttered space abscent controls, how can Hyundai screw quality up?
Interior and exterior look so similar to Mercedes or BMW that either company may sue Hyundai for copyright infringement.


Not a BMW 3-Series, it's the Genesis.



Not a Lexus LS 460 or Benz, it's the Genesis.

[PMC the 1st]

Lol, I was the first to comment here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...dan/index.html
These things are usually up for weeks on end. Maybe I should promote GMI on the post?

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by PMC the 1st

The Genesis is sure to take hits by the motoring press with regards to controls; I mean, there aren't any! Quality appears high, but with such an uncluttered space abscent controls, how can Hyundai screw quality up?
Interior and exterior look so similar to Mercedes or BMW that either company may sue Hyundai for copyright infringement.


Not a BMW 3-Series, it's the Genesis.



Not a Lexus LS 460 or Benz, it's the Genesis.

Why would Lexus sue Anybody for Copying!? :p

[PMC the 1st]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

Why would Lexus sue Anybody for Copying!? :p

Lol.
Not bad, not bad...

[emh]

Originally Posted by jry

I think the interior materials are fine, its the use of them that sucks.
It is Toyota all over again.

Saw a Genesis for the first time today. The grill looks worse than I'd expected from the pictures. The side and rear view is pretty decent, if anonymous.

The materials looked less nice in person -- but I could be wrong, this was just by peering in to it while next to it at a stop light. The wood in particular seemed fake. Anyone know if it's real?

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by emh

Saw a Genesis for the first time today. The grill looks worse than I'd expected from the pictures. The side and rear view is pretty decent, if anonymous.

The materials looked less nice in person -- but I could be wrong, this was just by peering in to it while next to it at a stop light. The wood in particular seemed fake. Anyone know if it's real?

I do not believe the wood in the Genesis is real. It's just as fake as the wood found in the Cadillac Escalade..

[jry]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

I do not believe the wood in the Genesis is real. It's just as fake as the wood found in the Cadillac Escalade..

Oh, c'mon Sal. No need to fabricate things here. You're in the tank for Hyundai.

I had TWO Escalades and the wood in them was real.

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by jry

Oh, c'mon Sal. No need to fabricate things here. You're in the tank for Hyundai.

I had TWO Escalades and the wood in them was real.

The 2007 and 2008 Escalades had fake wood.

[PMC the 1st]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

What disturbs me most is that I can't find a car at Cadillac that's as roomy, comfortable, powerful and luxurious as the Genesis.. That car should be the DTS, hands down.. Why it's not? I have no idea.. I'm just hoping that the STS/DTS replacement AND the ultra luxury sedan are both, at the VERY least, as roomy, comfortable, powerful and luxurious as the Genesis...

Keep in mind that Hyundai is also working on a car that they say compares to the Bentley Flying Spur in size, power and features. It would really bother me if Cadillac comes out with the DTS/STS replacement or ultra luxury sedan and can't compete with this thing.

My God, the dream world you live in Sal! Is there anyone in as far left field as you?
Look. The Genesis is a huge, roomy sedan with an average, unproven V6 engine that doesn't even come with real wood. The CTS and STS are thoroughbread-developed sport sedans equal to the finest sedans in the world.
I have yet to understand your fascination with the Hyundai Genesis. I mean, it's not even out yet and the reviewers (reviewers worth anything, that is) are saying a lot of negatives about the car. There are two reviewers who say positive things about it: an obscure Canadian publication (you provided that silly link) and another one I can't remember. The ones that matter (Motor Trend; Car and Driver) weren't necessarily in love with the car. Unlike you, they test-drove the vehicle extensively.

I can understand your obsession with interior room; after all, I can't stand BMW because their cars are just little econo-boxes, but you shouldn't be judging a car based on roominess alone, either.

Wake me up when Hyundai comes up with an engine as advanced as GM's 3.6 DI. Or a chassis as dynamic and as proven as the Sigma platform. Or a user-interface as well-designed as the Infotainment system in CTS. Or interior quality that can at least remotely be compared to Mercedes quality, let alone CTS's quality. Or steering and braking that has the linearity and on-center feel of the CTS. Or real wood interiors.

Heck. The only real wood you'd ever find in the Genesis is in your shirt pocket if you're carrying around a pencil...