"Breaking News": Honda's new diesel powerplant, and hell freezes over..

[grandam_man]

I was just curious, honda has gas cars, "so called" electric-gas hybrids, and methane powered cars, but diesels, were are they? And if they are out there why havent I seen them? I know Honda tries to be nice to the environment and all, and a diesel with a 7500 RPM redline has yet to be seen anywhere, but really if Honda made it people would buy it.....they always do

[wpbharry]

What's "Breaking News" about this thread? I strongly suggest this thread be deleted and that you not try that nonsense again.

[yassir(snowman)]

i hate honda

[grandam_man]

Originally Posted by wpbharry

What's "Breaking News" about this thread? I strongly suggest this thread be deleted and that you not try that nonsense again.

you neglected to read the title, the entire title....

[Squachy]

I was expecting some kind of news. Fake news whatever.
This was jsut a stupid rant.

I thought there might be something about honda making a diesel...
nope.

I thought there might be something about Honda doing something they never do before (ie make a V8).
nope.

All i read was some mumbo jumbo that wanted to bash honda for no particular reason but at the same time didnt.

Whats the point of this thread?

[gmrebirth]

Originally Posted by Squachy

I was expecting some kind of news. Fake news whatever.
This was jsut a stupid rant.

I thought there might be something about honda making a diesel...
nope.

I thought there might be something about Honda doing something they never do before (ie make a V8).
nope.

All i read was some mumbo jumbo that wanted to bash honda for no particular reason but at the same time didnt.

Whats the point of this thread?

Honda already has diesels, but they are just not available in North America.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by gmrebirth

Honda already has diesels, but they are just not available in North America.

I think the European Honda Diesels are sourced from GM, which is why the VUE has a Honda Engine. So unless Honda has other Diesels in the world, they don't actually have them.

[Polish_Kris]

Originally Posted by DuSpinnst

I think the European Honda Diesels are sourced from GM, which is why the VUE has a Honda Engine. So unless Honda has other Diesels in the world, they don't actually have them.

Ya they're Isuzu diesels made in Poland.

[Maas Oyama]

Re: "Breaking News": Honda's new diesel powerplant, and hell freezes over..

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Originally Posted by DuSpinnst
I think the European Honda Diesels are sourced from GM, which is why the VUE has a Honda Engine. So unless Honda has other Diesels in the world, they don't actually have them.



Ya they're Isuzu diesels made in Poland.

entirely untrue! they have a fully inhouse developed 2.2 liter 138 hp diesel called iCDTI or some such which has been rated as best in class by almost all the leading english auto publications.

the reason the VUE has a honda engine is because GM lacks the technology to make a better one themselves; the same reason for which they are forced to buy 6 speed automatic transmissions for their cadillacs from Aisin (which, as every one knows is Toyota owned and controlled; the CEO of aisin is a true blue Toyoda of the blood!)

(this is the same corporation that mercilessly choked off the hybrid component supply for the ford escape under orders from toyota and will no doubt do the same for cadillac when toyota decides that the time is right.)

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by Maas Oyama

Re: "Breaking News": Honda's new diesel powerplant, and hell freezes over..

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DuSpinnst
I think the European Honda Diesels are sourced from GM, which is why the VUE has a Honda Engine. So unless Honda has other Diesels in the world, they don't actually have them.



Ya they're Isuzu diesels made in Poland.

entirely untrue! they have a fully inhouse developed 2.2 liter 138 hp diesel called iCDTI or some such which is has been rated as best in class by almost all the leading english auto publications.

the reason the VUE has a honda engine is because GM lacks the technology to make a better one themselves; the same reason for which they are forced to buy 6 speed automatic transmissions for their cadillacs from Aisin (which, as every one knows is Toyota owned and controlled; the CEO of aisin is a true blue Toyoda of the blood!)

(this is the same corporation that mercilessly choked off the hybrid component supply for the ford escape under orders from toyota and will no doubt do the same for cadillac when toyota decides that the time is right.)

No the VUE engine is part of a deal for diesels in Europe, that is fact. Honda may still have it's own diesel but for Europe they don't meet requirements. Look it up. Aisin is a Toyota strategic partner, maybe 20% controlled by Toyota. They are thier own company, I almost got a job with them so I did some research on who they where.

[Maas Oyama]

No the VUE engine is part of a deal for diesels in Europe, that is fact. Honda may still have it's own diesel but for Europe they don't meet requirements. Look it up. Aisin is a Toyota strategic partner, maybe 20% controlled by Toyota. They are thier own company, I almost got a job with them so I did some research on who they where.

Honda has only got 1 single diesel power palnt and that is the 2.2l 138 hp iCTDi which is used in the euro accord, accord tourer, euro CRV, FRV and in the civic. It has no other diesel and does not sell diesel powered cars anywhere else in the world. this power plant is fully in house developed and not sourced from any where else.

the purchase of engines by GM from honda was because GM lacks the technology to make its own (of a similar caliber and quality).

Although Aisin is only 27% owned by the Toyota Motor Corporation; it is fully under Toyota control as another 24% of the shareholding is owned by other toyota group companies such as Daihatsu, Hino, Denso, Toyota industries and various others, (there are 127 companies in all which form part of the Toyota Zaibatsu); this fact is not apparent because each of these toyota kieratsu companied individually owns only a small number of shares.

[Maas Oyama]

Motors
Honda In Accord With New Diesel
Saturday 11th October 2003

WHETHER as a producer of screaming power plants for GP racers or as a builder of chugging motors for generators, Honda's reputation as an engine builder is second to none.

The Japanese car maker builds engines for practically anything that moves, from lawnmowers to luxury speedboats. And all of them have been petrol powered.... until now.

Diesel has always been a dirty word for Honda's engine experts. As far as they were concerned, it just didn't make sense to run an engine on anything but petrol, and over the decades they've produced some of the world's finest motors.

Which was fine until diesel demand took off. It's all very well sticking to time honoured ideals - but when all your major competitors are selling oil-burners by the shed-load in an exploding market, you are clearly running the risk of being left at the starting gate.

So Honda decided it had to have a diesel. But it was so jealous of its reputation for petrol engines that the company kept work on its new 2.2 litre common rail turbo diesel a closely guarded secret for years.

The man who led the team which created the new engine, Kenichi Nagahiro, admits: "Honestly speaking I did not want to make a diesel engine. But when I was asked to do so, I decided to make the best."

Britain's rapidly increasing army of diesel car drivers will be able to judge whether or not he has succeeded in this ambition in February, when the new engine makes its first appearance in the latest Accord saloon and Tourer models in either Sport or Executive trim at prices from £18,700.

The new Accord i-CTDi models will be competing in what Honda calls the "quality" market against the likes of the Audi A3, Rover 75 and Saab 9-3 and looks set to provide the established diesel buyers with some pretty stiff competition.

This is truly a state-oftheart power plant. Starting from scratch, Honda has created an oil-burning masterpiece which meets all the criteria essential for a 21st Century diesel - and which exceeds expectations in many areas.

It's quiet, refined and totally civilised and is right up there with the best in class in terms of performance.

The new engine boasts the highest torque, or pulling power, in its class, and that makes for impressive lowspeed flexibility, exceptional mid-range overtaking power and amazing fuel economy.

The bald performance figures put the iCTDi pretty much on a par with the two-litre petrol engine car - a top speed of 130mph and acceleration from rest to 62mph in 9.4 seconds.

Honda provides no figures for the diesel mid-range acceleration, but this engine is mightily impressive when you put your foot down in third at around 40-50mph. It takes off like a scalded cat and will sweep you safely through an overtaking manoeuvre in the twinkling of an eye.

It really scores on fuel economy too, which, at 52.3mpg on the official EU combined cycle, compares with the petrol engine's average of 35.3.

And more importantly to British buyers, the new diesel meets the Euro 4 emissions regulations which are due to come into effect in 2005.

As a result, it does not suffer the three per cent benefit in kind tax penalty which is applied to many current diesels and, with CO2 emissions of just 142 grams per kilometer, company car user-choosers who opt for the Accord saloon will only have to pay tax on 15 per cent of the car's value.

That promises 40 per cent taxpayers savings of up to £500 a year compared with some rivals in a UK market place which is going diesel daft.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/story/1951

no where does it say that honda buys a diesel from GM; as this is the only diesel offered by honda anywhere in the world, it puts paid to your theory about an engine swap!

[Hudson]

Originally Posted by DuSpinnst

No the VUE engine is part of a deal for diesels in Europe, that is fact. Honda may still have it's own diesel but for Europe they don't meet requirements. Look it up. Aisin is a Toyota strategic partner, maybe 20% controlled by Toyota. They are thier own company, I almost got a job with them so I did some research on who they where.

Maas is right. Honda has a world-class diesel of its own design and manufacture. They ORIGINATED the deal to swap engines with GM but now the only part remaining is GM buying V6s. Honda uses its own engine which is far superior to the one they were buying.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by Hudson

Maas is right. Honda has a world-class diesel of its own design and manufacture. They ORIGINATED the deal to swap engines with GM but now the only part remaining is GM buying V6s. Honda uses its own engine which is far superior to the one they were buying.

Well that's news to me.

[lio45]

That's... three-years-old news. http://world.honda.com/news/2003/4030226_1.html