Hmmmmmm

[AMERICA 123]

Well, this is interesting. I'm getting the following response when I try to connect to gminsidenews.

Connection Interrupted The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. Please try again.

What is peculiar is that this is the only anomaly I'm experiencing with this particular computer. Doesn't matter what browser etc. I've been 'told' I'm good on this end.................. Curious about two things. 1. ) Obviously a fix. 2. ) Anyone else, particularly strong GM supporters experiencing or ever experienced this kind of specificity before ?

[AMERICA 123]

Thanks NASAP, Brandon, et al,.

As per PM, currently works/'writes' with IE but not with Firefox 3.0 ( early/trial release ) - for 'writing'.

Can now 'connect and operate' except for posting normally - with both.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

2. ) Anyone else, particularly strong GM supporters experiencing or ever experienced this kind of specificity before ?

What, do you think that toyota's trying to impede our daily dose of GMi in a vain attempt to get us all to buy camrys??

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

What, do you think that toyota's trying to impede our daily dose of GMi in a vain attempt to get us all to buy camrys??

NOPE.

You probably won't understand this, but I have a great deal of a certain kind of 'respect' for how the Toyota 'brand' and Toyota 'supporters' 'handle' their Internet programs and 'presence'.

You can literally take that anyway you want to.
IMO, best in the business - probably in the world.
As I've stated before, also IMO, definitely better than the rest of the industry combined.

So no, IF I thought Toyota or related was involved which obviously I DON'T, I would expect something much more sophisicated than that which you posted.

Considering the alternatives hypothetically, MY expectations would be as follows;

Something from a Toyota 'camp' would be largely centered on slowing down or disrupting negative, but real information concerning Toyota from being discussed or propagated.

That hypothetical expectation would be somewhat similiar in a general sense to what happened on the Internet in the 2001 - 2006 period when literally thousands of postings and many sites concerning Toyota issues just flat out disappeared and various other sites were hacked, including most of the major Toyota owner/vehicle sites etc.

Some were down for days.

All lost large amounts of content.

Most of the disappeared material concerned the sludge issue and related.

Some never came back up.

Some came back up in an unrecognisable form.

Coincidence all that I'm sure - and also the key personal assignments during part of this time period (according to Toyota ) - in China with the various duties formally assigned there - including certain Internet related responsibilities outside of China.

Continiuing this hypothetical discussion concerning what I'd expect if Toyota 'supporters' were involved here with our operational glitches and refuting/answering your post's assertion/ question - I will say that in the realm of possible consideration for inclusion are the following;

There is what is alleged to have happened to individuals and their computers to consider - who were involved in the hot issues of that time period concerning Toyota.
Most notably in that group, is the still under reported and underappreciated 'sludge' issue and class action settlement people.
- I'm not sure at this time whether my expectations would include something like their allegations which claimed they were able to pinpoint hacker attacks originating from specific Lexus Dealers and affiliated call centers - along with a few Toyota as well.

It is also coincidental I'm sure, that nobody on the Internet seemed to know of much less discuss the at the time the actual on going class action suit during this time period of approx. 5-6 years so for various reasons that might have to be excluded in my expectations as well.

To the best of my knowledge, none of that applies to this situation here at GMI.

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Concerning the next - I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR IMO IT ALSO DOES NOT APPLY TO GMI - at least I think so and am stating so very explicitly here and now.

There are interesting trends thru out the Internet concerning automotive enthuiasts websites for brands other than Toyota.

Many have a large % of Toyota Dealership employees involved in their administration and many are affiliated with various Toyota product forums.

( Worth mentioning, notice how 'ours' conduct affairs here compared to some of the others. )

Again, I'm on the record as stating this % must be coincidental although it stands in stark contrast to virtually every other OEM out there and for completeness only it should be noted;

some have speculated that all of the above when taken together looks like a brilliantly constructed Internet Listening Post / Propaganda Program thats actually 'ages' old at this point.

There are other aspects to these patterns concerning the Internet - as an example which sites are linked by which 'parent' OEM and which are not.

Then there is also the timing, content and titling of topic introductions on these aforementioned sites - not the least of which would the repetitiveness of the content and once again coincidentaly the often deflective, 'spoiling attack' nature of the topics chosen.

The above is but a brief and very incomplete ( deliberately so ) listing of some of the normal discussion concerning a topic such as 'Toyota and the Internet' that the people who are now tracking these things are interested in and that would hypothetically be possibly present in a Toyota ' supporter' response.

Again, for clarity only, none of this applies here at GMI - proof positive of that will be how this post is treated - I'm confident this will support the above content and conclusions and I would venture a guesstimate that probably no later than Tuesday 3JUNE08 the 'technical' problems that some of us are experiencing here will be largely resolved.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

NOPE.

You probably won't understand this, but I have a great deal of a certain kind of 'respect' for how the Toyota 'brand' and Toyota 'supporters' 'handle' their Internet programs and 'presence'.

You can literally take that anyway you want to.
IMO, best in the business - probably in the world.
As I've stated before, also IMO, definitely better than the rest of the industry combined.

So no, IF I thought Toyota or related was involved which obviously I DON'T, I would expect something much more sophisicated than that which you posted.

Considering the alternatives hypothetically, MY expectations would be as follows;

Something from a Toyota 'camp' would be largely centered on slowing down or disrupting negative, but real information concerning Toyota from being discussed or propagated.

That hypothetical expectation would be somewhat similiar in a general sense to what happened on the Internet in the 2001 - 2006 period when literally thousands of postings and many sites concerning Toyota issues just flat out disappeared and various other sites were hacked, including most of the major Toyota owner/vehicle sites etc.

Some were down for days.

All lost large amounts of content.

Most of the disappeared material concerned the sludge issue and related.

Some never came back up.

Some came back up in an unrecognisable form.

Coincidence all that I'm sure - and also the key personal assignments during part of this time period (according to Toyota ) - in China with the various duties formally assigned there - including certain Internet related responsibilities outside of China.

Continiuing this hypothetical discussion concerning what I'd expect if Toyota 'supporters' were involved here with our operational glitches and refuting/answering your post's assertion/ question - I will say that in the realm of possible consideration for inclusion are the following;

There is what is alleged to have happened to individuals and their computers to consider - who were involved in the hot issues of that time period concerning Toyota.
Most notably in that group, is the still under reported and underappreciated 'sludge' issue and class action settlement people.
- I'm not sure at this time whether my expectations would include something like their allegations which claimed they were able to pinpoint hacker attacks originating from specific Lexus Dealers and affiliated call centers - along with a few Toyota as well.

It is also coincidental I'm sure, that nobody on the Internet seemed to know of much less discuss the at the time the actual on going class action suit during this time period of approx. 5-6 years so for various reasons that might have to be excluded in my expectations as well.

To the best of my knowledge, none of that applies to this situation here at GMI.

*****************************

Concerning the next - I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR IMO IT ALSO DOES NOT APPLY TO GMI - at least I think so and am stating so very explicitly here and now.

There are interesting trends thru out the Internet concerning automotive enthuiasts websites for brands other than Toyota.

Many have a large % of Toyota Dealership employees involved in their administration and many are affiliated with various Toyota product forums.

( Worth mentioning, notice how 'ours' conduct affairs here compared to some of the others. )

Again, I'm on the record as stating this % must be coincidental although it stands in stark contrast to virtually every other OEM out there and for completeness only it should be noted;

some have speculated that all of the above when taken together looks like a brilliantly constructed Internet Listening Post / Propaganda Program thats actually 'ages' old at this point.

There are other aspects to these patterns concerning the Internet - as an example which sites are linked by which 'parent' OEM and which are not.

Then there is also the timing, content and titling of topic introductions on these aforementioned sites - not the least of which would the repetitiveness of the content and once again coincidentaly the often deflective, 'spoiling attack' nature of the topics chosen.

The above is but a brief and very incomplete ( deliberately so ) listing of some of the normal discussion concerning a topic such as 'Toyota and the Internet' that the people who are now tracking these things are interested in and that would hypothetically be possibly present in a Toyota ' supporter' response.

Again, for clarity only, none of this applies here at GMI - proof positive of that will be how this post is treated - I'm confident this will support the above content and conclusions and I would venture a guesstimate that probably no later than Tuesday 3JUNE08 the 'technical' problems that some of us are experiencing here will be largely resolved.

Hmmmm...interesting. I've never thought of that before. And I haven't been a member of internet forums for long enough to remember the sludge issue.
But you never know...very valid points there.