Saab: "BORN FROM JETS"

[Perian]

"BORN FROM JETS"

That's the new tag line for Saab.

The NY Times (10/23/05 - Page 2) carries an advertisement for Saab.

It shows ALL of the new 2006 models (including the new 9-5). Copy reads:


BORN FROM JETS

When you used to build jets,
You don't build just another vehicle.

Saab was founded by 16 aircraft engineers. What they knew about wind resistance inspired us to build a more aerodynamic vehicle.

What they knew about thrust and power inspired us to build a more exciting vehicle.

What they knew about keeping pilots alive inspired us to build a safer vehicle.

Over fifty years and countless innovations later, their spirit lives on.

EVERYTHING THEY LEARNED AT 30,000 FEET INSPIRED THE DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE NOW AVAILABLE AT SEA LEVEL.

[Perian]

Well, one thing is quite clear.

They didn't "used" to do inspiring marketing.

[FoMoCo Fan]

And there is nothing more jet like than a Trailblazer. The danger of this stuff is not backing up the marketing with the product.

[mgescuro]

Yeah... I posted a link to the commerical here already.

Drive the 9-7X... you'll be impressed. Even critics were impressed.

[Perian]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Yeah... I posted a link to the commerical here already.

Drive the 9-7X... you'll be impressed. Even critics were impressed.

Sorry - I didn't see it.

The commercial is not much better.

Love the way you don't see the car for the first 15 seconds.

Let's hope the 9-3 wagon sells well.

[FoMoCo Fan]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Yeah... I posted a link to the commerical here already.

Drive the 9-7X... you'll be impressed. Even critics were impressed.

I'm not saying it's not good. I'm saying their products don't back up their advertising - just like Pontiacs products like the SV6 and Torrent don't back up the "action" tagline. I'm not a rebadge critic if the products are good - I am a critic of false brand identity via marketing.

[TLCOR]

Svenska Aeroplan AktieBolag. I have a '83 900 Turbo, BTW..

[GM_Fanatic]

you posted the link to the european commercial, checkout Fridays GMTV and they show the American version. Its much better in my opionion, except for the non-iced taillights.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by FoMoCo Fan

I'm not saying it's not good. I'm saying their products don't back up their advertising - just like Pontiacs products like the SV6 and Torrent don't back up the "action" tagline. I'm not a rebadge critic if the products are good - I am a critic of false brand identity via marketing.

Saab are some darned fast cars. They do outcorner most FWD cars. Speed 0-100 is comparable to a Porsche Boxter in some cases.

Most Saabs have a top speed of 155 mph limited.

Nothing false about anything.

Pontiac is performance. But doesn't offer anything outside the GTO. WHoopty do.

[CRBoyd91]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Saab are some darned fast cars. They do outcorner most FWD cars. Speed 0-100 is comparable to a Porsche Boxter in some cases.

Most Saabs have a top speed of 155 mph limited.

Nothing false about anything.

Pontiac is performance. But doesn't offer anything outside the GTO. WHoopty do.

Along with the Grand Prix GXP and G6 GTP. Oh, did you mention Solstice?

[GM_Fanatic]

Originally Posted by CRBoyd91

Along with the Grand Prix GXP and G6 GTP. Oh, did you mention Solstice?

CRBoyd91 -> <- Mgescuro.........jk man

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by CRBoyd91

Along with the Grand Prix GXP and G6 GTP. Oh, did you mention Solstice?

Sorry.... 9-5 and the 9-3 will out corner, out run, and out perform Grand Prix GXP and G6 GTP. GXP may have 43 more HP, but it won't out perform the 9-5. 9-3 has 10 more HP than the GTP... and it too handles and performs better.

Solstice is a great roadster. But as a performer?? Wait til GXP is released.

Sorry, Pontiac might say it's for "performance cars," but the only real performance care in the lineup is the GTO. The rest are still wannabes.

[IAMCANADIAN]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Sorry.... 9-5 and the 9-3 will out corner, out run, and out perform Grand Prix GXP and G6 GTP. GXP may have 43 more HP, but it won't out perform the 9-5. 9-3 has 10 more HP than the GTP... and it too handles and performs better.

Solstice is a great roadster. But as a performer?? Wait til GXP is released.

Sorry, Pontiac might say it's for "performance cars," but the only real performance care in the lineup is the GTO. The rest are still wannabes.

you're joking right? The 9-5 may be fast-in Aero form, but won't outperform a Grand Prix GXP, probably a G6 GTP because the 9-5 and 9-3 Aero has more horsepower and torque but I find it hard to believe that it would outrun a GP GXP. Again the 9-5 really doesn't handle that great, it's not bad but it's not the same as a Grand Prix, the Arc is more softly sprung than a GP Base I drove and I've heard the new 9-5 still leans more in the turns. The G6 also handles better than the 9-3 Linear we had (but tires was the main issue, the 9-3 had 15's and the G6 had 16's). The solstice has lots of power, but isn't a high performance car, it has more fun to drive factor and a balance of handling and acceleration. I think the 9-5 Aero would outrun a Grand Prix GT (3800 S/C) on the highway but the GXP, well I'd have to see it to believe it.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by IAMCANADIAN

you're joking right? The 9-5 may be fast-in Aero form, but won't outperform a Grand Prix GXP, probably a G6 GTP because the 9-5 and 9-3 Aero has more horsepower and torque but I find it hard to believe that it would outrun a GP GXP. Again the 9-5 really doesn't handle that great, our Arc is more softly sprung than a Grand Prix Base I drove and I've heard the new 9-5 is also leans a lot in turns. The G6 also handles better than the 9-3 Linear we had (but tires was the main issue, the 9-3 had 15's and the G6 had 16's).

Umm... I have a 9-5 Aero at only 230 HP... and it out performed a Jaguar S-Type 4.0.
With at limit handling and perforamnce... I will put my money on the Saab before I even look at a Grand Prix or G6.

You're 17. I'm willing to bet, you have never put the 9-5 through its paces.
Skidpad on the 9-5 is better than the Grand Prix. Grand Prix is also 200 lbs heavier than 9-5. Braking is about equal. Acceleration 0-60 is about equal. 0-100 is all Saab.

[IAMCANADIAN]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Umm... I have a 9-5 Aero at only 230 HP... and it out performed a Jaguar S-Type 4.0.
With at limit handling and perforamnce... I will put my money on the Saab before I even look at a Grand Prix or G6.

You're 17. I'm willing to bet, you have never put the 9-5 through its paces.
Skidpad on the 9-5 is better than the Grand Prix. Grand Prix is also 200 lbs heavier than 9-5. Braking is about equal. Acceleration 0-60 is about equal. 0-100 is all Saab.

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe a 9-5 Aero will outrun a Grand Prix GXP, the GXP gets a better 0-60 time, 0-100 would be similar I would imagine. Handling wise the Arc is soft, it's a highway cruiser, not a race car while the Grand Prix leans less and firmer on turns. The 9-5 might get a better g rating because it's smaller, but driving both, the GP definetly is more stable and corners better. Again if you can show me the 0-100 times for a 2006 9-5 Aero and a 2006 GP GXP then I'll believe you.