Are GM HD trucks going to start competing with Ford HD trucks

[nota]

Originally Posted by sonjaab

Again you guys didn't check out tow411.com

Tried that, it redirects to a weirdo religious site 'The Way of the Master'

[nailhead425]

yup, that website has nothing to do with towing or snow plowing.

Interesting use of deception...

[calgaryhhr]

Originally Posted by sonjaab

I have not seen any sales figures broken down as to which model
of any brand sells the most (1/2, 3/4, 1 ton etc).
Not to mention the combined Chevy GMC full size line outsells the Ford
fullsize line.

Anybody have any sales figures that are broken down ?

Do these numbers and graphs help at all?

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/07...e-pickups.html

[nailhead425]

Originally Posted by calgaryhhr

Do these numbers and graphs help at all?

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/07...e-pickups.html

Very good data, thank you.
In summary:

light duty:-----------------------------------Change vs. 2008
GM (Chevrolet and GMC): 159,012 - 42.9% ----- +0.4%
Ford (F-150)-----------: 107,778 - 29.1% ----- +0.9%
Dodge------------------: 58,600 - 15.8% ------ +1.8%
Toyota ----------------: 36,106 - 9.8% -------- (3.2%)
Nissan -----------------: 8,804 - 2.4% -------- (0.5%)
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Heavy Duty:
Ford (F250/F350 only)----: 65,868 - 46.1% ------ (0.5%)
GM ---------------------: 41,004 - 28.7% ------- (1.7%)
Dodge ------------------: 35,916 - 25.2% ------- +2.2%
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[hiluxxulih]

Ya that's the numbers I was referring to , I think those number actually prove my point . all half tons have IFS and GM out sells Ford in half ton sales , and the highest selling HD trucks are SFA so if GM were to make there HD trucks with SFA they would beat Ford and Dodge in sales with ease , what GM needs to do is make a SFA and IFS capable HD truck and let the customer decide when ordering .

[C/K Man]

Here is the towing website:

http://www.tow411.net/

Based on what I see, the IFS on HD GM trucks is durable enough on stock trucks. Trouble comes when someone installs one of the many poorly engineered lift kits. When the half-shafts end up at a greater angle then stock, it puts quite a load on the inner CV joints and the differential side bearings. My opinion FWIW is GM's IFS could use more travel. As for Ford and Dodge, their SFA's generate quite a bit of warranty and customer complaints of bump-steer, worn ball joints, track bar bushings, and wheel bearings.

[newdude]

Originally Posted by sonjaab

Again you guys didn't check out tow411.com and see the reasons WHY those guys that need a truck to work buy a GM gasser or diesel instead of a Ford ! A GM 8.1 gasser will still out work a Ford 5.4 or 6.2!

Sure Sterling is done as my bud just got 2 of the last ones to use as a rollback and a tow rig. This guy WAS a Ford man but the new Diesel issues with his other Ford trucks drove him to another brand.

Not to mention you other guys who like those big driveway queen diesels with the big tires/loud exaust/ lift or level kits/and other bric a brak to impress your neighbors with trips to the garden store !

Sorry guys I buy them to WORK! Either snowplowing, towing my big boat, camper, or toy box. The 6.0 gasser works for me and
Ford gassers ain't even in the "ready to work" playbook !

The 8.1 is dead. Irrelevant to compare it IMO. And if someone purchased a used one, it most likely would have high miles and would have been beaten like crazy.

GM needs to get on the ball ASAP. The new board should open their eyes up and see that Ford is going to further destroy them. IFS is too much of a hassle, no matter how beneficial the ride may be.

[sonjaab]

Yea tow411.net....................My bad !
I was referring to the 8.1 in the topkick/kodiak. I know the 8.1 died for the
pickups in the gmt-900s.
Its funny that the gmt-900 GM 2 wds use coils in the front not
torsion bar like the 3/4-1 ton 4wds.

Ford only outsells the GMs by a puny 24k on the 3/4-1 tons!
GM has Ford beat in the 1/2 mkt. by 50k units.

So who is the BIG DOG in truck sales? Why does GM need to change anything?
There is no clear winner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wpgmachoman]

The SFA vs IFS debate in the 2500/3500 or the F250/F350 is never going to resolve. Both have equal merits in functionality of which each excels at. I would agree, offer both at the same price, and let the customers decide. Unfortunately, I think the resolve would be like the ZF-6 manual in the 2500HD's . Lots say they want it, but when it comes to buying...the IFS would be ordered 9 times out of 10....I would suggest a 'contractor's' package that has SFA, a manual gearbox, onboard compressed air, std pto, and possbility a second PTO for 220/330 and 600 V supply and a real bed-liner. This package would get the oil-patch guys, the farmers, and construction, city, municipal and provincial highways guys(Canadian eh?) and truck-welder market. This would be an awesome 'work truck' and enable enough volume so you could order the SFA when ordering a 'toy' or cream puff truck as well.

Myself, I don't four-wheel on purpose except in snow, will never 'jack my ride', likely never work inthe oilpatch (well, not again anyway), never hook up a snow-plow. but will pull a fifth wheel camper, with a family of 4 with a wife who already feels the truck rides way to rough for her bladder! Even pulling a 24 ft car trailer pulling cars doesn't 'need' SFA.

Dodge trucks are dead in the market, Fords SuperDuties are okay, but the PowerJokes are killing them. Car and Driver reviewers don't four wheel, they like the 'car like feel' of the tundra!! My old boss just bought a Tundra for his new work because he didn't like the rough ride of the fords and dodges, and he couldn't convince himself my D-max was of enough quality to buy!! (I will eventually pull him with a blown rear end..but that's another story!!)

Okay..just another installment of the never ending discussion!

[hiluxxulih]

Speaking of 8.1 liter GM trucks , there was a 2003 C7500 GMC topkick with an 8.1 liter and an Allison auto for $4900 with 179,000 miles on it in the local equipment paper , man I was so tempted to buy that , it was propane powered though.

[sonjaab]

Funny.....if you see a Schwanns truck cruising your neighborhood take note
that it will be a Topkick/Kodiak 8.1. They also are run on propane.

It wouldn't be a chore changing that C-7500 back to gas only because
IIRC they are bi-fuel from the get-go.

My bud had a bi-fuel converted 70s MonteCarlo that had a propane tank in
the trunk (gas tank still intact) and it ran on either fuel on the flip of a switch.

Possibly those trucks are the same????????

[hiluxxulih]

I found a color pic of that truck and it looks like a Schwan's truck , its a light tan color http://www.equipment-mart.com/images...%20web%20x.pdf on page 30 ,

[hiluxxulih]

All this talk about GM trucks when are we going to see the updated GM HD trucks ?

[FanOfDurant]

All this talk about GM trucks when are we going to see the updated GM HD trucks ?

Good question? I've seen the updated bumper pics but that's it. The new bumper looks 100x better! I hope they give that same treatment to the 1500's. As far as other changes go, I don't know if there is any? I'm (once again), holding out high hopes for the next generation of 1500's and HD's. I'm fairly optimistic this time around after seeing what GM is putting out for product in their cars/crossovers. Hopefully this new platform everyone is talking about will bring this truck up to the level it needs to be. Oh ya, don't let whoever designed the current model anywhere near the new one!

[sonjaab]

Hilux............Yup looks like a old Schwanns truck to me!
Note the description: 8.1 gas/propane with Allison auto.

I guess they are bi-fuel gas/propane from the factory.