Are GM HD trucks going to start competing with Ford HD trucks

[sonjaab]

I have not seen any sales figures broken down as to which model
of any brand sells the most (1/2, 3/4, 1 ton etc).
Not to mention the combined Chevy GMC full size line outsells the Ford
fullsize line.

Anybody have any sales figures that are broken down ?

[Ryanbabz71]

Originally Posted by FanOfDurant

GM needs to design all brand new trucks from the ground up period. I love their new cars and crossovers, I really do. In the end though, the most important long term purchase for me is my truck. I've been holding out forever to get a new Chevrolet truck. I thought with the GMT900 I'd finally feel comfortable dropping 40 grand down on a truck that was 'Worth it'. The GM trucks(IMO) are simply not worth it. The looks, the stance, the cheap base interior, the durability, build quality... on and on... GM needs to go purchase a new F-150 and a new Ford SuperDuty. Bring them inside and let engineers and designers look at how a real truck should be built. Then build the damn thing once and for all. Kill the competition. I was watching a rodeo advertisement on tv and Everything in the arena was 'Built Ford Tough'. Ford this, Ford that... C'mon GM! Get with it. You guys could make a killing building the best trucks money can buy, yet you refuse to do it? WHY?

We all know opinions are like - - - - - - - - - and everyone has one :lol:

[WilliamBos]

an SFA is only as strong as the weakest link - the BALL JOINTS that hold it together. If you guys think they are indestructible, think again. It is really a backwards way of thinking.

[Shotgun]

GM spanks Ford in half-ton sales, Ford spanks GM in heavy-duty sales. And the beat goes on...

[igor]

Originally Posted by sonjaab

I have not seen any sales figures broken down as to which model
of any brand sells the most (1/2, 3/4, 1 ton etc).
Not to mention the combined Chevy GMC full size line outsells the Ford
fullsize line.

Anybody have any sales figures that are broken down ?

Originally Posted by Shotgun

GM spanks Ford in half-ton sales, Ford spanks GM in heavy-duty sales. And the beat goes on...

Correct
I think about 60-70% of Ford F-series is Super Duty while 60-70% of Gm trucks are half-tons. Ford owns half of one-ton truck market, GM owns about 40% of the 1/2 ton (Ford gets another 30% and the rest is split between Dodge, Toyota and Nissan).

I do not have the exact numbers, but this is about right.

Igor

[AirCleaner]

GM just flat cannot compete in this segment any longer. GM needs to get very serious, very quickly or just concede the segment entirely.

[drew630]

Originally Posted by hiluxxulih

Irrespective of the SFA argument , GM needs to do some market research as to why Ford decimates them in HD sales , if GM isn't able to or incapable of competing then they are doomed to asking for government handouts in perpetuity .

Are these sales figures your speaking of include the 450, 550, 650, and 750? Or are we discussing the entire HD market as a whole (i.e., HD and Medium Duty)?

[sonjaab]

I for one would like to see some actual figures instead of LIPSERVICE from the NON truck owners here.
Pickuptruck.com did have some breakdown figures posted last year
and both Ford and GM were neck and neck in the 1/2 ton-3/4-1 ton breakdown.

Now if anyone here actually went over to tow.411 and checked out any of the posts instead of posting lipservice here they would plainly see that GM for the past few months was the favorite in the big gas trucks used for tow and flatbed work.
Many operators posting they are tired of the Ford powerjokes and wish for the old 7.3 of old to return and now with the loss of the Topkick/Kodiaks the Internationals and Sterling diesels are the new trucks of choice at a reasonaBLE price point.

Anyhoo whos got the numbers?

BTW: The new GM 6.2 gasser with 405 hp. is surly gonna embarass them dogged out 5.4s in them Fords !

[C/K Man]

Sterling is gone too. Built their last truck in March. Junk anyway. I think GM's HD upgrade will be more than just the grille. I don't know when GM will debut the 2011 HD's, maybe not until after the first of the year. I think they will be competitive.

[nailhead425]

Ball joints, tie-rods, half-shafts, aluminum center sections, extremely limited suspension travel and nearly no compression travel. The limited weight capacity of the IFS along with durability issues while running larger tires makes it a paper tiger at best. I remember the GM warranty guy explaining that LT265/75-16s were the largest tires they would allow for warranty claims on IFS components. Even then it was a fight to get coverage.

I driven them all, the IFS is outclassed. There is little argument about the Duramax/Allison, or the overall quality of GM products, it is the lousy suspension that is the problem.

While my anecdotal evidence may not be pleasing, several family members dumped their GM IFS trucks for the competition, myself included, because of the IFS and transmission (4L60) failures.

[460ford]

Originally Posted by sonjaab

I for one would like to see some actual figures instead of LIPSERVICE from the NON truck owners here.
Pickuptruck.com did have some breakdown figures posted last year
and both Ford and GM were neck and neck in the 1/2 ton-3/4-1 ton breakdown.

Now if anyone here actually went over to tow.411 and checked out any of the posts instead of posting lipservice here they would plainly see that GM for the past few months was the favorite in the big gas trucks used for tow and flatbed work.
Many operators posting they are tired of the Ford powerjokes and wish for the old 7.3 of old to return and now with the loss of the Topkick/Kodiaks the Internationals and Sterling diesels are the new trucks of choice at a reasonaBLE price point.

Anyhoo whos got the numbers?

BTW: The new GM 6.2 gasser with 405 hp. is surly gonna embarass them dogged out 5.4s in them Fords !

How many people even use gas for towing work? It can't be many, Also Sterling does not even exist anymore. It does however remain to be seen if the F-650 and 750 will be around much longer anyway, Also while the 7.3 was/is a highly reliable powerplant it will not be comming back anytime soon as the emissions regulations killed it back in 03.

[ChevyHDGert]

Originally Posted by C/K Man

Sterling is gone too. Built their last truck in March. Junk anyway. I think GM's HD upgrade will be more than just the grille. I don't know when GM will debut the 2011 HD's, maybe not until after the first of the year. I think they will be competitive.

I hope you're right. I might be getting a new HD around 2012-2013.

BTW, Ford is dumping the 5.4L gas for a new 6.2L that will probably have more power than GM's 6.0L, so they've trumped us there too.

[newdude]

Originally Posted by sonjaab

I for one would like to see some actual figures instead of LIPSERVICE from the NON truck owners here.
Pickuptruck.com did have some breakdown figures posted last year
and both Ford and GM were neck and neck in the 1/2 ton-3/4-1 ton breakdown.

Now if anyone here actually went over to tow.411 and checked out any of the posts instead of posting lipservice here they would plainly see that GM for the past few months was the favorite in the big gas trucks used for tow and flatbed work.
Many operators posting they are tired of the Ford powerjokes and wish for the old 7.3 of old to return and now with the loss of the Topkick/Kodiaks the Internationals and Sterling diesels are the new trucks of choice at a reasonaBLE price point.

Anyhoo whos got the numbers?

BTW: The new GM 6.2 gasser with 405 hp. is surly gonna embarass them dogged out 5.4s in them Fords !

Apparently you forgot about the 6.2 from Ford eh?

[sonjaab]

Again you guys didn't check out tow411.com and see the reasons WHY those guys that need a truck to work buy a GM gasser or diesel instead of a Ford ! A GM 8.1 gasser will still out work a Ford 5.4 or 6.2!

Sure Sterling is done as my bud just got 2 of the last ones to use as a rollback and a tow rig. This guy WAS a Ford man but the new Diesel issues with his other Ford trucks drove him to another brand.

Not to mention you other guys who like those big driveway queen diesels with the big tires/loud exaust/ lift or level kits/and other bric a brak to impress your neighbors with trips to the garden store !

Sorry guys I buy them to WORK! Either snowplowing, towing my big boat, camper, or toy box. The 6.0 gasser works for me and
Ford gassers ain't even in the "ready to work" playbook !

[nailhead425]

There are plenty of folks that worked their IFS rigs mildly only to suffer diff case cracks/failures, half shaft separations, tie rod failures, not to mention the lower relative weight capacity and limited suspsension travel. If this were a discussion of GM torsion bar IFS vs. leaf-spring SFA, I would no doubtedly agree that the IFS has a distinct ride advantage. However, modern swingarm and 5 link coil spring SFA suspensions are vastly superior.