I have had a 2007 Sierra Denali for 3 days and I already have scratches all over the bed. Can anyone suggest a good bed liner? I was looking at Line-X. Anyone have any input on those?
I have had a 2007 Sierra Denali for 3 days and I already have scratches all over the bed. Can anyone suggest a good bed liner? I was looking at Line-X. Anyone have any input on those?
I asked in a thread awhile ago and got no response and then got too lazy to do the research myself. I saw a video demonstrating how spray on liners are installed. I forget who the manufacturer was. Anyway, a technician spends hours with a grinder, grinding all of the paint out of the inside of the box prior to spray application. The video was to demonstrate the quality of the product. I was so horrified, I didn't pay attention to the manufacturer. I guess my point is, if you're thinking of a spray on liner, ask if they must grind your bed 1st. Do you want that done to your truck?
I asked in a thread awhile ago and got no response and then got too lazy to do the research myself. I saw a video demonstrating how spray on liners are installed. I forget who the manufacturer was. Anyway, a technician spends hours with a grinder, grinding all of the paint out of the inside of the box prior to spray application. The video was to demonstrate the quality of the product. I was so horrified, I didn't pay attention to the manufacturer. I guess my point is, if you're thinking of a spray on liner, ask if they must grind your bed 1st. Do you want that done to your truck?
Seeing as how the spray in liners are "permanent" I'm not sure I care a whole lot about them sanding the bed if I make the jump in that direction. I looked at a "soft" drop-in liner that GMC offers and I may go that direction too.
I have a line x in my Sonoma and it is great, they now offer a sealant that keeps it shiny for at least 5 yrs. That is my only complaint is that it did whiten up a bit, but not so much that it looks bad. DO NOT get a plastic drop in, those are generally for older trucks that the bed is already torn up in, as they can make a mess out of the bed when dirt and grime gets in between them. We have put in a few carpet all weather liners that look really good, and supposedly wash out when dirty, but I cant imagine shoveling dirt off of carpet, seems like it wouldn't work to well. The line-x doesn't scratch, and has a lifetime warranty. Yes they grind most of the paint off, but thats how it adheres to the metal, and what does that matter anyway, once it's done it looks awesome. I wont ever get another type of liner. There are several types of spray in liners, so I would visit as many shops as I can, because some have hard textures, some have rough, some are rubbery and its a pain to get stuff in and out. See what would suit you best.
I have a Line-X in my truck as do several people I know. Don't know much about Rhino liners, though. A few tried the cheap kind you spray on yourself or roll on, but they weren't worth the time it took to put them down. Very thin, too.
Line-X !!!! Absolutely the best of the bunch. I saw a demo where they took a swatch of Line-X and "sanded" a swatch of Rhino with it. The Rhino wore down and the Line-X was unblemished. Line-X is also more consistent in thickness and texture. And they did not sand my paint down to the metal, they simply scuffed it all up with scotchbrite to create better adhesion. I would be more worried if they hadn't done this.
I had my 2000 GMC Sierra Line-X'd and after 7-1/2 years it still looked like brand new, but keep in mind, I had a tonneau cover to protect it from the sun, because they will fade.
I asked in a thread awhile ago and got no response and then got too lazy to do the research myself. I saw a video demonstrating how spray on liners are installed. I forget who the manufacturer was. Anyway, a technician spends hours with a grinder, grinding all of the paint out of the inside of the box prior to spray application. The video was to demonstrate the quality of the product. I was so horrified, I didn't pay attention to the manufacturer. I guess my point is, if you're thinking of a spray on liner, ask if they must grind your bed 1st. Do you want that done to your truck?
The reason they grind or sandblast the bed is so that the liner sticks to the bed better. My FD took a couple utility trucks to a dealer (forget the brand name) who didn't sandblast the bed like he said he would and two years later, he has gone out of business and the liner is bubling and peeling so you can see the white paint where there should have been none in the first place.
The Moral:
#1 Don't go lowest bid - you get what you pay for
#2 Make sure the bed is sandblasted or whatever (watch it done)
The reason they grind or sandblast the bed is so that the liner sticks to the bed better. My FD took a couple utility trucks to a dealer (forget the brand name) who didn't sandblast the bed like he said he would and two years later, he has gone out of business and the liner is bubling and peeling so you can see the white paint where there should have been none in the first place.
The Moral:
#1 Don't go lowest bid - you get what you pay for
#2 Make sure the bed is sandblasted (watch it done)
I watched them do my 2000, but wasn't there when they did my 07. On the 2000 they used a orbital disc with scotchbrite pad on it and scuffed the paint, but did not remove it completely.
What they are really going for is a surface to bite into to, its not that the line-x wont stick to the paint, it justs needs something to hold it down. The ones I have seen them do, the gouge the bed with 6" gouges all over the place with a die grinder. I dont think it matters wether its sand blasted, sanded, orbital grinder etc, so long as it roughens up the surface. But make no mistake, do something, or it will not last.
I have had a 2007 Sierra Denali for 3 days and I already have scratches all over the bed. Can anyone suggest a good bed liner? I was looking at Line-X. Anyone have any input on those?
Well I'm in the minority here, but I hate sprayed-in liners. I've seen too many of them let the bed or wheel wells get dented (the liner offers no protection against dents, just against scratches). I do agree that the drop-ins can be a pain though. I've had a drop-in since day 1 in my 1994 and haven't had any problems, but I do take it out and clean under it twice a year. That being said my next truck will have one of these:
I am going to try the bedrug option. I like the look and it seems like it would be easy to maintain. I figure in the end if I dont like it I can toss it and get a different liner. If I go with a Spray-in right off the bat there is no going back. Although, I could go spray-in and a bedrug!
I am going to try the bedrug option. I like the look and it seems like it would be easy to maintain. I figure in the end if I dont like it I can toss it and get a different liner. If I go with a Spray-in right off the bat there is no going back. Although, I could go spray-in and a bedrug!
While your at it why not check out Amerigaurd sprayed in bedliners. IMO they are as good or better than anything out there! BTW you have to scuff the bed to get it to stick.
I put in a rubber mat and tonneau cover. To me the spray in costs alot of money that you really don't get back when you trade. I trade every 2 1/2 to 3 years so it doesn't justify it for me. Put on a cover, and don't worry about it. Its a box. Its supposed to get scratched. When the cover is on, you don't see it any way and when you do put something in it, its safe from the elements.
I put in a rubber mat and tonneau cover. To me the spray in costs alot of money that you really don't get back when you trade. I trade every 2 1/2 to 3 years so it doesn't justify it for me. Put on a cover, and don't worry about it. Its a box. Its supposed to get scratched. When the cover is on, you don't see it any way and when you do put something in it, its safe from the elements.
Thing is, a top quality tonneau cover costs as much as a bed liner. It's whatever suits the needs of the owner, ultimately. Too bad you can't put tall things in the bed without taking the over off, though. Of course, if you never haul big items, it's no biggie.
My vote goes to Line-X. It works really well in my '07 Sierra and it looks great too.
The Line-X company also makes coatings that help in reducing damage from bombs as well as other military and industrial uses. Here is the link if your interested. http://line-x.com/
Pretty interesting web site
The reason they grind or sandblast the bed is so that the liner sticks to the bed better. My FD took a couple utility trucks to a dealer (forget the brand name) who didn't sandblast the bed like he said he would and two years later, he has gone out of business and the liner is bubling and peeling so you can see the white paint where there should have been none in the first place.
The Moral:
#1 Don't go lowest bid - you get what you pay for
#2 Make sure the bed is sandblasted or whatever (watch it done)
Oh this is SO TRUE. Prep is the MOST IMPORTANT PART in my opinion. I had the intrior of my CJ sprayed, and it's peeled up in 3 places. hardly ANY prep at all (granted this deal was done under the table "I think", so I'm not complaining too much)
I also have a bedrug in my S10, and it works really nice, my bed is really scratched up too and I got a good deal on the bed rug off amazon.com with free shipping. Looks nice and easy to clean.
I have a LineX spray in bed liner AND a Pace-edwards Jackrabbit Locking bed cover. I can haul big stuff when I need to AND lock it when I want to! Case Solved!
You can get Rhino Line and other spray in bedliners in a variety of colors..On the pewter 03 Silverado Z71 we've got we had the bedliner sprayed in a color that nearly matched it, then tossed on a matching fiberglass flat lid..looks great.
I include a GM plastic bed liner with nearly every single truck I sell. Snowmobiles are very popular around here. Snomobiles have sharp carbide rods under the skies. They'll even cut through a paved road but usually don't do much to the liner. A snowmobile ski can cut a spray in. The plastic don't fade either.
However, plastic drop ins are slippery, dirt and natural movement will scuff the bed but at the same time you'll never see it because the liner usually stays with the truck for life.
I would recommend a spray in because they look great, are repairable, and aren't slippery. Carpet looks great but only if your usuing your bed as a trunk.
As for you guys with hard flat tonneau covers. If they don't slide or fold then they reduce the versatiltiy of your bed drastically. You can't even carry a BBQ or an ATV. Useless for anyone other than a city slicker who don't use the bed for anything other than a large car trunk. But that might make another interesting thread.
I think I can help here. Warning: This is going to be a long post.
Rhino (Tuff Grip, used to be called Tuff Stuff): 100% polyurethane, tear strength 145 pli, temp tolerance 175 degrees, uses a cold/low pressure application system, softer at Shore A 92.5, gels in 30 to 45 seconds, dries in 45 minutes, cures in 24 hours. Optional UV topcoat is called Rhino Shine. It will eventually peel off the liner and must be reapplied (the consumer can buy a bottle of it and do it themselves). It's thick and not fun to apply. Rhino has two new products called SolarMax and Hardline. However, not all dealers offer it because they have to purchase new spray equipment.
LINE-X: Polyurethane/polyurea blend, tear strength 295 pli (that's more than double the tear strength of Rhino), temp tolerance 220 degrees, uses a heat/high pressure application system (for better adhesion and a more uniform looking final texture), harder at Shore D 45, dries in 4 seconds (thus follows the bed’s contours much better), cures in 24 hours. Several UV products are available: Ultra Shield, Nason, or Xtra. All are one-time applications, Xtra is the best (made by Dupont only for LINE-X, contains a Kevlar micro pulp for extreme durability).
Lets talk about UV protection, that's the number one complaint about spray-on bedliners. LINE-X has Xtra which in my opinion, is currently the best available. LINE-X had UV products in the past, but none were durable enough for a truck's bed. So, LINE-X approached Dupont. LINE-X and Dupont spent over year formulating Xtra. It's available in black or for exact color matching, that includes the metallic flakes just like the paint! Rhino is using a color injection system. Color injection has been around for a long time and there are inherent problems with it. For one, it still loses it gloss and two, it's very difficult to get an EXACT color match. Here's sort of a close up of an Xtra color match. The product is thin and without much texture here, both appropriate for this particular application:
Here's a Xtra color match in Charcoal Beige. Note that the white spots in the pic are actually sun reflections. BTW, here's the one truck that Ford sold last month , I couldn't resist saying that...:
One advantage of a bedliner that contains some polyurea is that is dries FAST. Let's take a look at Rhino Tuff Stuff which takes 30 to 45 seconds to gel, in which time gravity allows it to sink. Here's a truck that has Rhino in it and is having some accessories installed. Note how thick the bedliner looks in the indicated area:
Now let's zoom in on the hole that's about to be drilled, does it look thick now?
This LINE-X tailgate is 1/8" to 3/16" thick. But, since it dries in about 4 seconds, it has a much more uniform thickness and nicely follows the contours.
I sure don't want to make any Rhino owners mad, that's not my intention. My intention is to tell you and show you some differences between Rhino and LINE-X. How about some more pics, we like pics :hyper:
Rhino:
Brand new Rhino with Rhino Shine:
LINE-X:
Entire truck with a gray Xtra color match:
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