Your Ideal Cadillac Lineup!

[AmericanRevolution]

If you were Cadillac, what would your ideal line consist of? Tell us about each car (engine info, FWD/RWD/AWD, size of car, price range, etc) too...
Mine is here: My Ideal Cadillac Lineup (2nd Ed.) Update 6

[theloosemoose89]

leave it alone. only i would put in a 2dr cts

[giagastormer]

I would like to see the Eldorado make a comeback, or atleast a Caddy coupe.

-4.6 Northstar
-350 horsepower
-Share some body panels with STS
-Sharp edged styling, no toned down crap
-20" wheels optional, 18" standard
-Unique interior
-RWD!!
-$44,000 - $55,000

I'm satisfied with everything else in Cadillac's line-up. They just need a new, RWD coupe.

[mgescuro]

A-Class (Euro Only Epsilon Caddy)
Diesel Sedan
Gas Sedan
V Sedan

C-Class
Base CTS, Coupe, Convertible
Mid-Level CTS, Coupe, Convertible
CTS-V, Sedan, Coupe, Convertible

D-Class
DTS Sedan

E-Class
Escalade V8
Escalade4 V8
EXT V8
ESV V8
ESV Platinum V8
Escalade-V V10
ESV-V V10

S-Class
STS V6, V8
STS4 V6, V8
STS-V

SRX V6, V8
SRX4 V6, V8
SRX-V

STC (Coupe) V8
STC4 (Coupe) V8
STC-V

F-Class (7-Series Fighter)
FTS V8
FLS V8 (More luxury than sport)
FTS-V V10/12

U-Class (Maybach & Rolls Fighter)
ULS V10
UTS V12

[CadillacFan717]

[color=Blue]Full-size (American style) Luxury Sedan
-Northstar V8
-4.25 liter
-325 hp
-325 lb-ft torque

Entry-level / Small Luxury Sport Sedan
-V6
-3.9 liter
-295 hp
-295 lb-ft torque

Entry-level Luxury Sport Coupe
coupe and convertible:
-V6
-3.9 liter
-295 hp
-295 lb-ft torque

Mid-size Luxury Sport Sedan
-Northstar V8
-4.5 liter
-350 hp
-350 lb-ft torque

Mid-size Luxury Sport Coupe
coupe and convertible:
-Northstar V8
-4.5 liter
-350 hp
-350 lb-ft torque

Full-size Luxury Sport Sedan
-Northstar V8
-5.0 liter
-400 hp
-400 lb-ft torque

Full-size Luxury Sport Coupe
-automatic, retractable hardtop
-Northstar V8
-5.0 liter
-400 hp
-400 lb-ft torque

Premium Roadster
automatic, retractable hardtop
-V6
-3.9 liter
-295 hp
-295 lb-ft torque

Ultra Luxury Roadster
automatic, retractable hardtop
-Northstar V8
-5.0 liter
-400 hp
-400 lb-ft torque

Mid-size / Entry-level Luxury Box-on-Frame SUV
-Northstar V8
-4.25 liter
-325 hp
-325 lb-ft torque

Full-size Luxury Box-on-Frame SUV
-Northstar V8
-5.0 liter
-400 hp
-400 lb-ft torque

Large / Extended Luxury Box-on-Frame SUV
-Northstar V8
-5.0 liter
-400 hp
-400 lb-ft torque

[Michael_S]

I think the best engine GM makes - arguably, the best engines in their class, period, are the LS4 (300 horsepower pushrod aluminum V8 with displacement on demand), the LS2 (400 horsepower pushrod aluminum V8), and the LS7 (500 horsepower pushrod aluminum V8). Dump the NorthStar and supercharged Northstar and spend the money that was being wasted on them making their better pushrod engines more quiet and/or adding more sound dampening materials to each model.

I read somewhere - maybe in these forums - that the V12 engine under development will be pushrod, too.

So this is the lineup I'd like to see:
CTS with 3.6 liter V6, LS4
CTS-V with LS2

STS with LS4, LS2
STS-V with LS7

DTS AWD, available with LS4 and LS2

XLR with LS4, LS2
XLR-V with LS7

Ultra Luxury Sedan (but I don't like the acronym ULS, find something different)
with LS2, LS7
Ultra Luxury Sedan-V with new V12

SRX with LS4, LS2

Escalade with LS2, LS7, new V12

... if Chrysler's pushrod Hemi can be considered an awesome modern engine by the automotive press, there's no reason that GM can't use pushrods in their own luxury models.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by Michael_S

I think the best engine GM makes - arguably, the best engines in their class, period, are the LS4 (300 horsepower pushrod aluminum V8 with displacement on demand), the LS2 (400 horsepower pushrod aluminum V8), and the LS7 (500 horsepower pushrod aluminum V8). Dump the NorthStar and supercharged Northstar and spend the money that was being wasted on them making their better pushrod engines more quiet and/or adding more sound dampening materials to each model.

Unfortunately, the media and the people Cadillac is targetting wouldn't give these pushrod engines the time of day. You'd essentially be condemming Cadillac to a life of mediocrity.

Cadillac is going global. The pushrods do not have the same "halo" in other countries that they have in the US.

ADding pushrod engines to the Cadillac lineup would be a complete waste of time.

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Unfortunately, the media and the people Cadillac is targetting wouldn't give these pushrod engines the time of day. You'd essentially be condemming Cadillac to a life of mediocrity.

Cadillac is going global. The pushrods do not have the same "halo" in other countries that they have in the US.

ADding pushrod engines to the Cadillac lineup would be a complete waste of time.

I disagree, because of Chrysler's Hemi. Nobody's been complaining about that, and it's a pushrod engine.


And look at cost. For example, look at the midsize luxury sedans. All the luxury brands have 6 cylinder models in the $35,000 to $50,000 range (525, 530, E320, M35, A6 V6, RL, GS300, etc...) and a ~ 300-350 horsepower V8 in the $45,000-$60,000 range (545, E500, M45, A6 V8, GS430, etc...). The current STS fits right in with that, base price about $40,000 for the STS V6 and $50,000 for the STS V8.

GM will be offering the 300 horsepower with Displacement on Demand LS4 in cars that you can get for $30,000, maybe less. What if you can get a 300 horsepower engine for $40,000 in the base STS? The next cheapest competitor with that much power will be the $48,000 Acura RL.

Then when you spend $50,000 on the STS you get the LS2. That's 50 more horsepower than the closest competition for the same price.

And the STS-V, while it will be extremely fast, on paper can't possibly compete with the M5 or the E55. If you put the LS7 in there, it's a different story.

[kain01]

My ideal Caddy lineup would match Mercedes car for car.

CRX
Equinox based Caddy, to compete with R class.
Standard: 2.8 215 HP/RWD/AWD/$29k
LS: 3.6 280 HP/RWD/AWD/more standard features/$33k

CTS/CTW
Sigma platform, pretty much as is. Add wagon model, lower to ground than CRX, however closer to CTS in appearance.
Standard: 2.8 215 HP/RWD/$30k
LS: 3.6 280 HP/RWD/more standard features/$36k
V: 3.6 SC 390 HP/RWD/AWD/$48k

DTS/DTC
Sigma platform, would make it a CLS competitor.
Standard: 4.6 330 HP/RWD/AWD/$61k
V: 4.6 SC 470 HP/RWD/AWD/$83k

ETS/ETT
Escalade, obviously GMT900 platform.
Standard: 5.0 375 HP/RWD/AWD/$60k
V: 4.6 SC 470 HP/RWD/AWD/$75k

ULS/ULC
Sixteen concept, see January 2005 Road and track for sixteen coupe concept sketch. They have a big Cadillac article. Try to keep looks as close as posible.
Standard: 5.0 375 HP/RWD/AWD/$80k
LS: 7.5 XV12 520 HP/RWD/AWD/more standard features/$92k
V: 5.0 SC 525 HP/RWD/AWD/all options/$105k
V-Series 12: 7.5 XV12 635 HP/RWD/AWD/$112k

KLR
Enlarged Kappa platform, however would try to keep smaller than the XLR. Would compete with the SLK and the Z4.
Standard: 3.6 260 HP/RWD/AWD/$45k
V: 5.0 375 HP/RWD/AWD/$53k

SRX
Sigma platform, pretty much as is.
Standard: 3.6 280 HP/RWD/AWD/$42k
LS: 5.0 375 HP/RWD/AWD/more standard features/$51k

STS/STC/STW
Sigma platform, pretty much as is. Add true wagon, lower to the ground than SRX and closer to STS in design.
Standard: 3.6 280 HP/RWD/AWD/$45k
LS: 4.6 330 HP/RWD/AWD/more standard features/$53k
V: 4.6 SC 470 HP/RWD/AWD/$68k

XLR
Corvette Z06 platform with all the lightweight materials.
Standard: 5.0 375 HP/RWD/AWD/$74k
LS: 7.5 XV12 520 HP/RWD/AWD/more standard features/$84k
V: 5.0 SC 525 HP/RWD/AWD/every option/$90k
V: 7.5 XV12 SC 635HP/RWD/AWD/$106k

There you have it. I think this lineup would place Cadillac back as the standard of the world. The reason I chose Mercedes as my model is because they currently have the most models, and BMW is slowly on their way to matching them with the coupes they are starting to make, so it seems to be the current luxury trend.

[Swahili]

I don't want to be a stick in the mud, but I really like the way Cadillac has their line up set. My ideal lineup for any GM division is one in which it will do the best, and I think Caddy is on a winning track with what they have. A 2 door CTS would be killer though.

[ekool]

Hrmm.. tough choices. But, I can tell you that Cadillac is going in the right direction. Finally they have something to compete with the BMW 'M' Division and that is exciting.

Caddies never used to interest me, but the V Series sure does.

I couldnt resist anymore and ended up getting an 05 CTS-V --- very very happy with it so far.

[mgescuro]

OK... after a little more thought, I decided to modify my line-up and expand on it.

A-Series(Euro Only Caddy)
ATS -- Delta II-based Hatch.
- FWD base model; 1.8L Diesel I4; 120-140 HP Euro 17-20,000
- FWD mid-level model; 2.0 I4; 150-180 HP. Euro 21-23,000
- FWD/AWD top-of-the-line model; 2.X V6; 180-230 HP. Euro 23-26,000

B-Series
BLS -- Epsilon II-based sedan.
- FWD base model; 1.8L Diesel I4; 120-140 HP (Currently in the 9-3). Euro 22-24,000
- FWD mid-level model; 2.0 I4; 150-180 HP. Euro 24-26,000
- FWD/AWD top-of-the-line model; 2.X V6; 180-230 HP. Euro 26-29,000

BRX -- Theta-based SUV
- FWD model; 1.8L Diesel I4; 180 HP Euro 24-26,000
- FWD model; 2.0 I4; 185 HP. $28-34,000
- AWD model; 2.X L V6; 225 HP. $34-38,000

C-Series
CTS -- Sigma-based sedan
- RWD base model; 1.8L Diesel I4; 120-140HP (Euro-only model). Euro 25-27,000.
- RWD base model; 3.X L V6; 255HP. $30,000
- RWD luxury model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $36,000
- RWD sport model; 3.X L V6; 310 HP. $40-42,000
- RWD high-performance model (V); 5.X L V8; 430 HP. $50,000

CTC -- Sigma-based coupe
- RWD base model; 1.8L Diesel I4; 120-140HP (Euro-only model). Euro 25-27,000
- RWD base model; 3.X L V6; 255HP. $32,000
- RWD luxury model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $38,000
- RWD sport model; 3.X L V6; 310 HP. $42-44,000
- RWD high-performance model (V); 5.X L V8; 430 HP. $56,000

CTT -- Sigma-based convertible
- RWD base model; 1.8L Diesel I4; 120-140HP (Euro-only model). Euro 29-30,000
- RWD luxury model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $40,000
- RWD sport model; 3.X L V6; 310 HP. $45-48,000

D-Series
DTS/DTS-L-- Chi-based sedan
- RWD sport touring model; 4.X L V8; 340 HP. $48,000
- RWD extended-length sport touring model; 4.X L V8; 340 HP. $52,000

DHS -- Chi-based sedan
- RWD traditional luxury model; 4.X L V8; 340 HP. $45,000

E-Series
Escalade ESU -- Full-sized SUV
- RWD; 5.X L V8; 345HP. $54,000
- 4WD; 6.X L V8; 400HP. $58,000
- 4WD performance model [V]; 6.X L V12; 550HP. $69,000

Escalade EXT -- Full-sized SUT
- 4WD; 5.X L V8; 345HP. $54,000
- 4WD; 6.X L V8; 400HP. $58,000
- 4WD performance model [V]; 6.X L V12; 550HP. $69,000

Escalade ESV -- Extended length, Full-Sized SUV
- 4WD; 5.X L V8; 345HP. $59,000
- 4WD; 6.X L V8; 400HP. $63,000
- 4WD performance model [V]; 6.X L V12; 550HP. $73,000
- 4WD executive edition; 6.X L V8; 400 HP. $80,000

S-Series
STS -- Sigma based sedan
- RWD base model; 2.XL Diesel V6; 180-190HP (Euro-only model). Euro 33-39,000.
- RWD base model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $46,000
- AWD base model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $49,000
- RWD luxury model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $48,000
- RWD luxury sport model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $54-58,000
- AWD luxury sport model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $61-64,000
- RWD high-performance model (V); 4.X L Supercharged V8; 480 HP. $75,000

STC -- Sigma based 2-2 coupe
- RWD base model; 2.XL Diesel V6; 180-190HP (Euro-only model). Euro 33-39,000.
- RWD base model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $46,000
- RWD luxury sport model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $50-56,000
- AWD luxury sport model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $61-64,000
- RWD high-performance model (V); 4.X L Supercharged V8; 480 HP. $75,000

SRX -- Sigma based crossover
- RWD base model; 2.XL Diesel V6; 180-190HP (Euro-only model). Euro 30-39,000.
- RWD base model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $36,000
- AWD base model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $41,000
- RWD sport model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $45-49,000
- AWD sport model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $50-54,000
- RWD high-performance model (V); 4.X L Supercharged V8; 480 HP. $64,000

X-Series
XLR -- Corvette based 2-seat roadster
- RWD model; 4.X L V8; 350 HP. $76,000
- RWD high-performance model (V); 4.X L Supercharged V8; 480 HP. $86,000

XKR -- Kappa based 2-seat roadster
- RWD model; 3.X L V6; 280HP. $40,000
- RWD high-performance model; 4.XL V8; 350 HP. $50,000

F-Class (7-Series / S-Class Fighter)
FTS -- Premium Zeta; Full-sized RWD/AWD sedan
- RWD base model; 3.X L Turbo Diesel V6 240-280 HP (Euro-only model). Euro 60-65,000.
- RWD base model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $80,000
- RWD luxury model; 5.X L V8; 430HP. $85-89,000
- RWD luxury model; 6.X L V12; 520HP. $90-95,000.
- RWD extended-length luxury model 6.X L V12; 520HP. $97-105,000
- AWD luxury model; 5.X L V8; 430 HP. $95-99,000
- AWD luxury model; 6.X L V12; 520 HP $107-115,000.
- AWD extended-length luxury model; 6.X L V12; 580 HP $114-122,000.

FTC -- Premium Zeta; Full-sized 2+2 RWD/AWD coupe
- RWD base model; 3.X L Turbo Diesel V6 240-280 HP (Euro-only model). Euro 60-65,000.
- RWD base model; 4.X L V8; 350HP. $80,000
- RWD luxury model; 5.X L V8; 430HP. $85-89,000
- RWD luxury model; 6.X L V12; 520HP. $90-95,000.
- AWD luxury model; 5.X L V8; 430 HP. $95-99,000
- AWD luxury model; 6.X L V12; 580 HP $107-115,000.

U-Series (Maybach & Rolls Fighter)
U-Series cars will be 100% hand-built and custom ordered per customer order.
ULS -- Modified and extend "Omega" architecture; Full-sized RWD/AWD sedan
- RWD ultra luxury model; 5.X L V8; 550 HP. $300,000 base price.
- RWD ultra luxury model; 7.X L V12; 750 HP. $350,000 base price.
- RWD extended-length, ultra luxury model; 5.X L V8; 550 HP. $360,000 base price.
- RWD extended-length, ultra luxury model; 7.X L V12; 750 HP. $410,000 base price.
- AWD ultra luxury model; 5.X L V8; 550 HP. $350,000 base price.
- AWD ultra luxury model; 7.X L V12; 750 HP. $400,000 base price.
- AWD extended-length, ultra luxury model; 5.X L V8; 550 HP. $410,000 base price.
- AWD extended-length, ultra luxury model; 7.X L V12; 750 HP. $460,000 base price.
- RWD extended-length limo 5.X L V8; 550 HP. $500,000 base price.
- RWD extended-length limo 7.X L V12; 750 HP. $550,000 base price.

Options will include:
Full bar, wine rack, refrigerator, Free OnStar for the life of the car, DVD-navigation for the driver with ability to view in the passenger area, foot rests for rear passengers, reclining seats, internal halogen lighting, 10-disc DVD changer, Dolby 6.1 surround, integrated LCD screens, photo-chromatic windows, choice of carpeting, choice of wood grain, choice of leather seating areas, choice suede headliner, heated and cooled seats, seat massager, enough trunk space for 4 sets of golf clubs, Bluetooth 2.0 integration, wireless high speed internet access, choice of laptop front/rear/side/head/torso next-gen airbags, Armor protection option, satellite TV, Bose suspension, electro-chromatic panoramic sunroof, driver/passenger partition, intercom system,

[AmericanRevolution]

Some good lineups in here

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by AmericanRevolution

Some good lineups in here

Aww... I was quite proud of my U-Series Cadillac!! After I was done with it.. I wanted one for my own!!

[AmericanRevolution]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Aww... I was quite proud of my U-Series Cadillac!! After I was done with it.. I wanted one for my own!!

Ya, I really liked your lineup... and I can completely understand why you'd fall in love with your ULS, as I did with my Sixteen! :p