Why not a Buick Kappa?

91z4me · 10-15-2005, 05:28 PM

Alright I know I am going to hear the internal competition argument here. But really why not make a Buick kappa with a 3.9 HV V6, we know it will fit or a supercharged 3.9 and a hard top? You could charge about $28,000 for a base model with it coming pretty loaded and sell an Ultra with the 3.9 supercharged v6 or the 3.6 HF V6 and charge $32,000. Seriously it would help fill capacity at Willmington AND it would lower peice cost due to increased volume. Key competitors would be the Chrysler Crossfire and Audi TT.

Heck this idea just came to me style it after the Velite OR make it retro styled after late 40s Buicks.

Any comments or suggestions guys? Possibly a photoshop of some kind?

**mgescuro** · 10-15-2005, 05:32 PM

I would much rather see a Cadillac Kappa.

While I agree, retro may be he ONLY way to go for Buick, Kappa is not the right platform for Buick. Velite on Zeta is the only way to go for Buick.

Diognes56 · 10-15-2005, 06:30 PM

As much as I like Buick, I would prefer to see a kappa Cadillac over a Buick, it just doesn't seem to fit in with Buicks image (or the image they are trying to give it). Now a Art & Science styled kappa, which they could call BLR, with either the 2.8L, 3.6L, and a Turbo 3.6L for the BLR-V. It could be an entry level XLR

. Better materials, power top, and stuff like that, priced from $30k-$50k. Now that would be hot

.

David

FourOnTheFloor · 10-15-2005, 07:24 PM

If Caddy got a kappa, then why have the XLR? Two roadsters under the same roof? Maybe the next generation XLR could be on an enlarged Kappa of some sort, but one is enough. The Corvette based platform is probably better than the kappa.

I agree with the other guys, a roadster wouldn't make sense for Buick. Lets see, a mid-large sedan, a large sedan, a crossover SUV, and a 2 passenger roadster? What Buick really needs is a luxury, full size, rwd, five passenger coupe, with a chrome waterfall grill, and optional convertable top. The name should start with a "Vel" and end with a "ite".

camaroman22 · 10-15-2005, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diognes56

As much as I like Buick, I would prefer to see a kappa Cadillac over a Buick, it just doesn't seem to fit in with Buicks image (or the image they are trying to give it). Now a Art & Science styled kappa, which they could call BLR, with either the 2.8L, 3.6L, and a Turbo 3.6L for the BLR-V. It could be an entry level XLR

. Better materials, power top, and stuff like that, priced from $30k-$50k. Now that would be hot

.

David

this man knows what he's talking about

.

this arguement about 'if cadi has the kappa coupe why have the XLR?" is SOO stupid. has anyone heard of the Mercedes SL?? perhaps the Mercedes SLK? THIS WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE FOR CADI AND WOULD MAKE HUGE COMPETITION FOR MB!!!
just my 2 sense
-camroman22

FourOnTheFloor · 10-15-2005, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaroman22

...this arguement about 'if cadi has the kappa coupe why have the XLR?" is SOO stupid. has anyone heard of the Mercedes SL?? perhaps the Mercedes SLK? THIS WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE FOR CADI AND WOULD MAKE HUGE COMPETITION FOR MB!!!
just my 2 sense
-camroman22

The more I think about it, the more I agree with you and Diognes56. A smaller roadster, similar to the SLK would give Mercedes some good competition. Except the big difference between Caddy and MB is that MB has twice as many cars in its line-up than Caddy. MB has a small coupe/sedan, medium coupe/convertable/sedan, and 2 large sedans and a small and large roadster.
If Caddy got a kappa than it would only have 3 sedans and 2 roadsters. I think Caddy needs a few more cars in their line-up before they get another roadster.

ocmdog · 10-15-2005, 08:50 PM

This would be good for Buick, because I couldn't picture it as a Cadillac, and it could still go up against the TT, SLK, Z4, etc. It would bring Buick upmarket and help it achieve it's goal as becoming the American equivalent of Lexus.

When I first read this I was reminded of the 1988-1991 Reatta. A small, sub-Corvette/Allante roadster.

86fleet · 10-15-2005, 08:52 PM

No Kappas for Buick or Cadillac. Buicks are supposed to be big cars, and have no business being in compacts. Besides, GM will have to be really stupid to give every division a kappa.

91z4me · 10-16-2005, 12:51 AM

What if the Buick came online after the Solstice had been out about 5 years? Think of it this way how would you restyle a car like Solstice?

surferdude00711 · 10-16-2005, 01:16 AM

Buick should have Kappa coupe, Pontiac the sedan. There, I said it. Eat that, Buick haters!

DuSpinnst · 10-16-2005, 02:33 AM

I'd think if we are going to have a 3rd Kappa make it AWD (if possible) and a Saab.

Aerodynamix · 10-16-2005, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

Buick should have Kappa coupe, Pontiac the sedan. There, I said it. Eat that, Buick haters!

Not sure if Pontiac should get a Kappa sedan, but a Buick coupe would be awesome. I think I'll be the first to mention bringing back the Grand National...in this thread anyway.

Buicktech · 10-16-2005, 02:22 PM

I think a Kappa Reatta would be mint, it could compliment a Zeta Coupe (Gran Sport).

FoMoCo Fan · 10-16-2005, 03:10 PM

Chevy Kappa!!! Mini Vette/Nomad

ehaase · 10-16-2005, 05:10 PM

Kappa is not flexible enough to be anything other than a small sports car. I believe I have read that putting anything larger than a 4 cylinder in Kappa would adversely affect handling.

10-15-2005, 05:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
91z4me 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,095	Why not a Buick Kappa? Alright I know I am going to hear the internal competition argument here. But really why not make a Buick kappa with a 3.9 HV V6, we know it will fit or a supercharged 3.9 and a hard top? You could charge about $28,000 for a base model with it coming pretty loaded and sell an Ultra with the 3.9 supercharged v6 or the 3.6 HF V6 and charge $32,000. Seriously it would help fill capacity at Willmington AND it would lower peice cost due to increased volume. Key competitors would be the Chrysler Crossfire and Audi TT. Heck this idea just came to me style it after the Velite OR make it retro styled after late 40s Buicks. Any comments or suggestions guys? Possibly a photoshop of some kind?

10-15-2005, 05:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
mgescuro GMI Staff Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 24,410	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? I would much rather see a Cadillac Kappa. While I agree, retro may be he ONLY way to go for Buick, Kappa is not the right platform for Buick. Velite on Zeta is the only way to go for Buick. __________________ 2000 Saab 9-5 Aero 1995 Mercedes C280 1994 Jaguar XJ6 ...when all hope is gone, you know sad songs say so much... My Vision of Cadillac My Vision of Cadillac (REDUX)

10-15-2005, 06:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Diognes56 3.5 Liter V6 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pekin, IL Drives: 1956 Chevy BelAir (project) 1993 9C1 Caprice (pro Posts: 217	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? As much as I like Buick, I would prefer to see a kappa Cadillac over a Buick, it just doesn't seem to fit in with Buicks image (or the image they are trying to give it). Now a Art & Science styled kappa, which they could call BLR, with either the 2.8L, 3.6L, and a Turbo 3.6L for the BLR-V. It could be an entry level XLR . Better materials, power top, and stuff like that, priced from $30k-$50k. Now that would be hot . David __________________ -----Let them hate, so long as they also fear.-----

10-15-2005, 07:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
FourOnTheFloor 3.8 Liter Supercharged V6 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NY State Drives: 1994 Firebird V6, 5 speed, Black Posts: 588	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? If Caddy got a kappa, then why have the XLR? Two roadsters under the same roof? Maybe the next generation XLR could be on an enlarged Kappa of some sort, but one is enough. The Corvette based platform is probably better than the kappa. I agree with the other guys, a roadster wouldn't make sense for Buick. Lets see, a mid-large sedan, a large sedan, a crossover SUV, and a 2 passenger roadster? What Buick really needs is a luxury, full size, rwd, five passenger coupe, with a chrome waterfall grill, and optional convertable top. The name should start with a "Vel" and end with a "ite". __________________ FourOnTheFloor

10-15-2005, 08:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
ocmdog 3.8 Liter Supercharged V6 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 699	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? This would be good for Buick, because I couldn't picture it as a Cadillac, and it could still go up against the TT, SLK, Z4, etc. It would bring Buick upmarket and help it achieve it's goal as becoming the American equivalent of Lexus. When I first read this I was reminded of the 1988-1991 Reatta. A small, sub-Corvette/Allante roadster.

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10-15-2005, 08:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
86fleet 5.3 Liter LS4 V8 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rockville, MD Drives: 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Posts: 3,470	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? No Kappas for Buick or Cadillac. Buicks are supposed to be big cars, and have no business being in compacts. Besides, GM will have to be really stupid to give every division a kappa. __________________ 1986 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham; Without this car I could have been in to rice But then again, all those cars have "fart burners" on them. That "fart burner" ads 5-10HP to your car ;some of those small Hondas can whip a Vett off the line. (from anti-rice.com) So 115hp+10hp=430hp, at least in ricerland

10-16-2005, 12:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
91z4me 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,095	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? What if the Buick came online after the Solstice had been out about 5 years? Think of it this way how would you restyle a car like Solstice?

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surferdude00711 5.3 Liter LS4 V8 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,703	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? Buick should have Kappa coupe, Pontiac the sedan. There, I said it. Eat that, Buick haters!

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DuSpinnst Starship Enterpise Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17,211	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? I'd think if we are going to have a 3rd Kappa make it AWD (if possible) and a Saab. __________________ The moderation here gets an F for FAILURE.

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Buicktech 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa, ON/Daytona Beach, FL Drives: 2000 Regal Posts: 2,186	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? I think a Kappa Reatta would be mint, it could compliment a Zeta Coupe (Gran Sport). __________________ 2000 Buick Regal

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FoMoCo Fan 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,014	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? Chevy Kappa!!! Mini Vette/Nomad

10-16-2005, 05:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
ehaase 3.8 Liter V6 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 390	Re: Why not a Buick Kappa? Kappa is not flexible enough to be anything other than a small sports car. I believe I have read that putting anything larger than a 4 cylinder in Kappa would adversely affect handling.

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