Regal engines

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

That's fine the lacrosse and the enclave do not need to be sporty. The regal and coming smaller buick should have that to attract 20 somethings first then when they are done they can move up to the regal in there early 30. Then the lacrosse in there 40 etc etc

All of this linearity comes at a price. A Regal and smaller sedan are solidly in Chevy's price range. There should not exist a luxury product under $30k, in any shape or form. GM is simply caving into dealer demands with these products (somehow Lexus and BMW get along without a $20k small car), to the detriment of the brands. It's a bad idea all the way around.

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Ps I am enjoying the sparing of ideas

I as well.

[CRBoyd91]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

That's fine the lacrosse and the enclave do not need to be sporty. The regal and coming smaller buick should have that to attract 20 somethings first then when they are done they can move up to the regal in there early 30. Then the lacrosse in there 40 etc etc

Ps I am enjoying the sparing of ideas

Exactly. Entry level luxury doesn't require the castration of all performance. The press release said itself that the Regal is intended to be a sport sedan. Anything luxury oriented needs good performance, though I'm not saying Buicks need to be racecars.

[ARCANGEL]

I think the small cruze based one should go 24-34 ala Acura tsx. The regal 27-39 lacrosse 34 -41

[SuperSS27]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Buick is only trampling on Cadillac because Cadillac isn't where it should be in the market and Buick is coming out with better cars. Buick should be entry lux against Acura, audi. Cadillac should be against BMW Mercedes. GM does not need to embrace old perceptions because they need a new identity and younger crowd for both not living in the past and catering to 60 and 70 year olds.

Audi and Acura compete against Mercedes and BMW. Especially Audi. Buick should be competing against Lexus, which is what they are doing. Lexus is Buick's target, not Audi and Acura. Audi and Acura are Cadillac's Target along with BMW and Mercedes.

Actually, on second thought Acura is more Buicks target also.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by SuperSS27

Audi and Acura compete against Mercedes and BMW. Especially Audi. Buick should be competing against Lexus, which is what they are doing. Lexus is Buick's target, not Audi and Acura. Audi and Acura are Cadillac's Target along with BMW and Mercedes.

Actually, on second thought Acura is more Buicks target also.

I think you can add Audi in that as well.
Buick v Audi , Acura , Lexus. These companies are primarily FWD AWD architecture. Primarily considered entry lux.

Caddy v BMW, Mercedes primarily RWD with some AWD performance oriented luxury considered pure luxury marks.

[mbukukanyau]

Forget keeping Buick in its place. May the best brand win. Why does Cadillac need to be protected from Buick?


If Cadillac managers cannot come up with better product than Buick Managers, screw em, screw Cadillac, Buick should go all out and get its name out there.
There is bigger fish to fry than trying to protect cadillac. Thats my view.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

Forget keeping Buick in its place. May the best brand win. Why does Cadillac need to be protected from Buick?


If Cadillac managers cannot come up with better product than Buick Managers, screw em, screw Cadillac, Buick should go all out and get its name out there.
There is bigger fish to fry than trying to protect cadillac. Thats my view.

Hell yea damn straight!!!!

[K-1]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

Forget keeping Buick in its place. May the best brand win. Why does Cadillac need to be protected from Buick?

If Cadillac managers cannot come up with better product than Buick Managers, screw em, screw Cadillac, Buick should go all out and get its name out there.
There is bigger fish to fry than trying to protect cadillac. Thats my view.

In a vacuum, that might seem like a good idea. However, if Buick makes Caddy look bad, Caddy also looks bad to BMW, MB, Audi, Lexus, Lincoln, etc. There should be absolute cooperation between brands, not competition, for good of the whole company. Everyone needs to play their part, or the brand in-fighting will continue and drag GM to its knees once again. Next time, there may not be a safety net.

[ARCANGEL]

Ps engines are as follows

2.0 180 hp will get over 30 mpg
2.0T 220 hp
3.6 v6 280 hp will arrive 6 months later

[SuperSS27]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

I think you can add Audi in that as well.
Buick v Audi , Acura , Lexus. These companies are primarily FWD AWD architecture. Primarily considered entry lux.

Caddy v BMW, Mercedes primarily RWD with some AWD performance oriented luxury considered pure luxury marks.

That sounds more accurate. The only reason I say Audi is more against Cadillac than Buick is because Audi is generally considered as one of the big 3 from Europe luxury manufacturers. And you are correct with your earlier post about Cadillac being too close to Buick. That's not Buick's fault. That's Cadillac's.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by SuperSS27

That sounds more accurate. The only reason I say Audi is more against Cadillac than Buick is because Audi is generally considered as one of the big 3 from Europe luxury manufacturers. And you are correct with your earlier post about Cadillac being too close to Buick. That's not Buick's fault. That's Cadillac's.

Yes Cadillac should be the pinnacle of GM and Buick should be underneath that Buick is making the right moves now more than I can say about caddy

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Yes Cadillac should be the pinnacle of GM and Buick should be underneath that Buick is making the right moves now more than I can say about caddy

You guys do realize that all of these "moves" are being made by the same people, right? While Buick and Caddy fiddle around trying to one-up each other, everyone else is passing them by.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by K-1

You guys do realize that all of these "moves" are being made by the same people, right? While Buick and Caddy fiddle around trying to one-up each other, everyone else is passing them by.

Yes we realize that and to position it correctly Buick needs to move entry and caddy up. Right now caddy has almost no cars position Buick and when new caddys arrive position them higher.

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Yes we realize that and to position it correctly Buick needs to move entry and caddy up. Right now caddy has almost no cars position Buick and when new caddys arrive position them higher.

Unless all Caddys are at $75+k niche status, Buick is still going to run into them. This is why you need differentiation in product, rather than just on price. As much as some might hope, Caddy is not getting to Bentley status anytime soon. "Entry-level luxury" is a fallacy.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by K-1

Unless all Caddys are at $75+k niche status, Buick is still going to run into them. This is why you need differentiation in product, rather than just on price. As much as some might hope, Caddy is not getting to Bentley status anytime soon. "Entry-level luxury" is a fallacy.

Not true at all. If the lacrosse tops off at 41 k and the ATS starts at 35 one being fwd/awd and the other being rwd/awd caddy would begin where Buick ends. Then the cts would be at 50k and so on and so forth. Different drivetrains different engines different approaches.