Regal engines

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by BlackGTP

And then GM can play on Ford's marketing and call it EgoBoost!

That's a good one!

[Al63240]

Originally Posted by avro206

What kind of engines are we expecting?

I got this tidbit from http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/11...nia-based.html

......"the new Regal sedan will be offered initially with two 4-cylinder petrol engines, a naturally aspirated 2.4-liter unit developing an output of 165HP and a 2.0-liter turbocharged engine producing 217HP. Both versions will be offered with a six-speed manual gearbox as standard"

2.0L Turbo sounds great. Crank it up to 260 though

It's very possible that I have not been paying as much attention as I should have, but this is the first I have heard of the regal having a manual transmission. Is that accurate? If so.....sweet.

[K-1]

Originally Posted by Al63240

It's very possible that I have not been paying as much attention as I should have, but this is the first I have heard of the regal having a manual transmission. Is that accurate? If so.....sweet.

Highly doubt it. They're just taking specs from the Insignia. Euros love manuals. U.S. slobs hate them. The take-rate would be way under the usual 10%. Completely not worth it.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by K-1

Highly doubt it. They're just taking specs from the Insignia. Euros love manuals. U.S. slobs hate them. The take-rate would be way under the usual 10%. Completely not worth it.

I think if it's offered other places it should be here. It's not like there has to be new R&D for it. Besides if it wants to compete versus Audi per sei it has to have it.

[CRBoyd91]

Originally Posted by K-1

Highly doubt it. They're just taking specs from the Insignia. Euros love manuals. U.S. slobs hate them. The take-rate would be way under the usual 10%. Completely not worth it.

Still, a sport sedan NEEDS a manual option. GM has to grasp the concept. It would do wonders for their perception...

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by CRBoyd91

Still, a sport sedan NEEDS a manual option. GM has to grasp the concept. It would do wonders for their perception...

Without a doubt Audi probably sells only 10% manuals but they continue. So does mercedes and BMW and VW etc etc. Crap even Lexus in the IS

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

I think if it's offered other places it should be here. It's not like there has to be new R&D for it. Besides if it wants to compete versus Audi per sei it has to have it.

Buick competes nowhere near Audi. If everyone else averages 10%, a Buick is going to be 10% of that, which means about 200 cars per year.

Originally Posted by CRBoyd91

Still, a sport sedan NEEDS a manual option. GM has to grasp the concept. It would do wonders for their perception...

Buick needs to give up "sporty" intentions; that's what Cadillac is for. Buick is (or should be) about coddling the driver, not rattling his kidneys. In no way does that entail the driver shifting gears themselves.

Let's build some brand identity and purpose, instead of "Meh, whatever."

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Without a doubt Audi probably sells only 10% manuals but they continue. So does mercedes and BMW and VW etc etc. Crap even Lexus in the IS

Yeah, because Toyota doesn't have two luxury divisions. GM does, thus they need to be differentiated.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by K-1

Buick competes nowhere near Audi. If everyone else averages 10%, a Buick is going to be 10% of that, which means about 200 cars per year.

Buick needs to give up "sporty" intentions; that's what Cadillac is for. Buick is (or should be) about coddling the driver, not rattling his kidneys. In no way does that entail the driver shifting gears themselves.

Let's build some brand identity and purpose, instead of "Meh, whatever."

Your outlook is very poor. Buick couuld definately be near Audi there cars are getting better and better. You are talking about them with there old perception and if Buick is to survive they need to shake that old perception and go balls to the wall.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by K-1

Yeah, because Toyota doesn't have two luxury divisions. GM does, thus they need to be differentiated.

What's your point? Buick is entry luxury FwD AWD. Cadillac is RWD should be straight luxury. That should be he differentiation.

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Your outlook is very poor. Buick couuld definately be near Audi there cars are getting better and better. You are talking about them with there old perception and if Buick is to survive they need to shake that old perception and go balls to the wall.

My "outlook" has clearly defined brand intentions/markets. Something that is a very seriously foreign concept to the heads in the RenCen. They need to embrace that old perception and improve upon it. Not everyone needs or wants a race car. For those that do, there's Cadillac. For those that don't, there's Buick.

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

What's your point? Buick is entry luxury FwD AWD. Cadillac is RWD should be straight luxury. That should be he differentiation.

My point is, Buick is trampling on Cadillac (and Chevy) and vice-versa. It's unnecessary duplication and detrimental to both brands' images.

Buick has no place in the sporty luxury arena. Cadillac has no place in the comfy luxury arena.

[ARCANGEL]

Buick is only trampling on Cadillac because Cadillac isn't where it should be in the market and Buick is coming out with better cars. Buick should be entry lux against Acura, audi. Cadillac should be against BMW Mercedes. GM does not need to embrace old perceptions because they need a new identity and younger crowd for both not living in the past and catering to 60 and 70 year olds.

[K-1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Buick is only trampling on Cadillac because Cadillac isn't where it should be in the market and Buick is coming out with better cars. Buick should be entry lux against Acura, audi. Cadillac should be against BMW Mercedes. GM does not need to embrace old perceptions because they need a new identity and younger crowd for both not living in the past and catering to 60 and 70 year olds.

Look at the Enclave - no sporting intentions, yet it sells like hot cakes to a younger crowd. There's no point to having a specifically entry-lux brand. Just a model from a lux brand can fill that role (see: ES, 1-/3-series, C-class, ATS, MKZ, etc.).

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by K-1

Look at the Enclave - no sporting intentions, yet it sells like hot cakes to a younger crowd. There's no point to having a specifically entry-lux brand. Just a model from a lux brand can fill that role (see: ES, 1-/3-series, C-class, ATS, MKZ, etc.).

That's fine the lacrosse and the enclave do not need to be sporty. The regal and coming smaller buick should have that to attract 20 somethings first then when they are done they can move up to the regal in there early 30. Then the lacrosse in there 40 etc etc

Ps I am enjoying the sparing of ideas