If cadillac can build an ATS that beats this AMEN!!! I will sign up tomorrow!!!

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

I don't think they still have CVT transmissions but they did in 2007 and the Audi A4 drove like crap.. LOL

Sorry but its true...the G6 four cylinder I drove right after...was a better driving vehicle than the A4 automatic..

I wanted to like the Audi A4 because its red paint sure was pretty..

Sorry you don't like my honest opinion...and (remember its just an opinion)

ohhh an 07 lol that explains it!!! Drives completely different now its like night and day lol. The new ones drive completely different

[schmallz]

Originally Posted by DoomsDave

S4 vs 335i is a ridiculous comparison. Let me know when the S4 beats the M3.

I believe the 3-series is being redesigned for the next model year. ATS should be aiming for that.

The S4 is optioned up over $60K in that video. I don't think the ATS should be playing in that price range. Even an ATS-V should be under $60K, IMO.

S4 competes with the 335i
RS4 competes with the M3.

Cadillac's 3 series fighter should look something like...
33k 2.0T @ 250hp (328i, A4 2.0, IS 250, C300)
43k 3.0TT @ 350hp (335i, S4, IS350, C350)
53k 4.0TT DOHC V8 @ 450hp (M3, RS4, IS-F, C63AMG)

The Compact Cadillac should be called BTS
The Sub-Compact Cadillac should be called ATS.

[schmallz]

Originally Posted by gdsm3

There is no fwd version of the S4 available. The S4 is AWD only.


Have you ever seen the back seat space of the previous gen A4? The extra rear seat legroom was definitely needed.

The A4 and Jetta have both outgrown themselves.

[gdsm3]

Originally Posted by schmallz

The A4 and Jetta have both outgrown themselves.

I don't think either one of them needs to get any bigger than they already are, but I still think the A4 growth in size was a good move.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by gdsm3

I don't think either one of them needs to get any bigger than they already are, but I still think the A4 growth in size was a good move.

I can not disagree, not only does the backseat have useable room but the car drives, handles and feels much more luxurious.

[JBsZ06]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

ohhh an 07 lol that explains it!!! Drives completely different now its like night and day lol. The new ones drive completely different

Maybe....maybe not...

Glad I could clear up any confusion you might have had..

Didn't audi just release the 2010 model A4?

I hope you don't mind but I fail to see how much better the A4 could have gotten...

The little 200 hp or 210 turbo four 90 percent of all a4's running around are kind of underpowered little fours..

I hate to say it but the a5 is kind of a lame duck too..

I do like the S5 even though its really more cruiser than sports car...its very sharp looking...

Two models of audi are cool...IMO the r8 and upcoming r4.

I see the rs4 seems to be better than the latest 335i in some magazine test(maybe the s4?) but it was quite a bit more expensive and the performance wasn't that great..

Overpriced and horrid reliability with very expensive maintaince after warranty expires...

How do you justify the fact most audi owners are afraid to own the vehicle out of warranty...

Same for the Bimmer..

I prefer american brands like the cadillac CTS or upcoming ATS because a person can actually own the vehicle without worrying with regards the cost of repairs?

Hopefully the ATS V follows the CTS V from a performance standpoint and pricing too..

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

Maybe....maybe not...

Glad I could clear up any confusion you might have had..

Didn't audi just release the 2010 model A4?

I hope you don't mind but I fail to see how much better the A4 could have gotten...

The little 200 hp or 210 turbo four 90 percent of all a4's running around are kind of underpowered little fours..

I hate to say it but the a5 is kind of a lame duck too..

I do like the S5 even though its really more cruiser than sports car...its very sharp looking...

Two models of audi are cool...IMO the r8 and upcoming r4.

I see the rs4 seems to be better than the latest 335i in some magazine test(maybe the s4?) but it was quite a bit more expensive and the performance wasn't that great..

Overpriced and horrid reliability with very expensive maintaince after warranty expires...

How do you justify the fact most audi owners are afraid to own the vehicle out of warranty...

Same for the Bimmer..

I prefer american brands like the cadillac CTS or upcoming ATS because a person can actually own the vehicle without worrying with regards the cost of repairs?

Hopefully the ATS V follows the CTS V from a performance standpoint and pricing too..

I am not an audi cheerleader I am just putting into perspective where I believe Buick/ Cadillac need to be and what they need to compete against. You might not like Audi but many are turning that way. Having owned a Saab 9-3 and a cobalt ss/SC 210 and 205 turbo and SC 4 cyl they hp and low end torque is more than enough, and the lighter engine over the front wheels made it fun to drive. Now The ATS should have a turbo 6 like the bmw 1 series but I could see a high boost 4 as well

[JBsZ06]

I see the audi A4 automatic selling because its cheap and it has a prestige name..Its not because its a good driving vehicle..

Thats just a personal opinion..

I wasn't impressed with the awd merecedes C300 either..(I see a ton of them on the road)


If GM can offer up a CTS like pricing package compared to the E class merecedes...and follow that example of value....to a smaller ATS we should see killer 35 grand 300hp ATS's smokin the german competition..


200hp or 210 hp in a A4 is way underpowered...same for the 228hp C300 AWD..

If cadillac offers 300hp ....in a 35 grand ATS...It'll be a smokin hot ride...

Of course the styling needs to be beautiful as does the ride, handling and interior..

Just imagine the ATS as the 335 or S4 for 35 grand instead of 50 g's...

thats my opinion of what the ATS will be

[asrapid]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

I see the audi A4 automatic selling because its cheap and it has a prestige name..Its not because its a good driving vehicle..

Thats just a personal opinion..

I wasn't impressed with the awd merecedes C300 either..(I see a ton of them on the road)


If GM can offer up a CTS like pricing package compared to the E class merecedes...and follow that example of value....to a smaller ATS we should see killer 35 grand 300hp ATS's smokin the german competition..


200hp or 210 hp in a A4 is way underpowered...same for the 228hp C300 AWD..

If cadillac offers 300hp ....in a 35 grand ATS...It'll be a smokin hot ride...

Of course the styling needs to be beautiful as does the ride, handling and interior..

Just imagine the ATS as the 335 or S4 for 35 grand instead of 50 g's...

thats my opinion of what the ATS will be

Underpower for what??? I live in Europe and in my country you can drive maximum 130 km/h on highway..on open road 90 km/h, in most cities 50 km/h, etc.. Most normal roads outside the cities are twisty so you can't drive much faster (you can but you will be in danger of hiting three, another vehicle, bicycle, tractor etc.).How do you drive in USA-do you race on street, do you have bigger speed limit alowed..i really don't get it how 200 hp car size of the audi a4 can be undeprowered (if we are talking about normal driving not racing). I've seen couple of rs4, m3, amg, brabus mercedes etc, etc here on the streets and they don't drive much faster than traffic allow

[JBsZ06]

Originally Posted by asrapid

Underpower for what??? I live in Europe and in my country you can drive maximum 130 km/h on highway..on open road 90 km/h, in most cities 50 km/h, etc.. Most normal roads outside the cities are twisty so you can't drive much faster (you can but you will be in danger of hiting three, another vehicle, bicycle, tractor etc.).How do you drive in USA-do you race on street, do you have bigger speed limit alowed..i really don't get it how 200 hp car size of the audi a4 can be undeprowered (if we are talking about normal driving not racing). I've seen couple of rs4, m3, amg, brabus mercedes etc, etc here on the streets and they don't drive much faster than traffic allow

Your living in europe? I'm sure in europe the 200hp is more than enough..

Here in the united states we are so used to more powerful vehicles...200 hp really is more like an economy car rather than a sports sedans..

here? and don't take it as an insult... 300 hp is minimum.. 400 more fun..and if the vehicle is larger and weighs in over 4000 lbs (like a CTS V, any mercedes AMG class, M series bimmers, etc..) 500 hp is more likely class leading)

Remember fuel here is 2.50 to 3.00 a gallon so its not as imperative to eek out the most miles per gallon..


Traditionally a car with a power to weight ratio of around 8 lbs for every hp or lb/ft of tq is about what makes the car fun to drive...

Of course great handling and braking are important to have as well.

Remember you asked so I just tried to answer your question with regards to many americans desire to get more hp...and even more important torque.

Do we need these things? NOPE..but they are fun...

HTH

JB

[goblue]

If GM is serious about this they are going to need a new powertrain. That 3.6L DI TT can't come fast enough. It would be the choice for this application. Also, the 2.8L T needs to be redone to bring it up to modern standards. Both should be available in the ATS.

[asrapid]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

Your living in europe? I'm sure in europe the 200hp is more than enough..

Here in the united states we are so used to more powerful vehicles...200 hp really is more like an economy car rather than a sports sedans..

here? and don't take it as an insult... 300 hp is minimum.. 400 more fun..and if the vehicle is larger and weighs in over 4000 lbs (like a CTS V, any mercedes AMG class, M series bimmers, etc..) 500 hp is more likely class leading)

Remember fuel here is 2.50 to 3.00 a gallon so its not as imperative to eek out the most miles per gallon..


Traditionally a car with a power to weight ratio of around 8 lbs for every hp or lb/ft of tq is about what makes the car fun to drive...

Of course great handling and braking are important to have as well.

Remember you asked so I just tried to answer your question with regards to many americans desire to get more hp...and even more important torque.

Do we need these things? NOPE..but they are fun...

HTH

JB

I do understand concept that more heavier (and bigger) car is it needs more powerfull engine to be fun. I just don't consider A4 to be underpowered for job what is it built for. I just hope if Gm will try to sell ATS in European countries it won't only offer v6 engine...since I4 engine are in majority here (especially in Audi A4)..but i would also like to see v8 in ATS-v series.
Maybe 5.5 l gen V v8 with supercharger in CTS-V and without it in ATS-V. Or maybe even V6 TT in ATS-V. I assume there will be V 6 in ATS so we could see some aftermarket turbocharged and supercharged kits from V6 Camaro in ATS (it seems there will be some v6 forced induction camaro on this year SEMA )

[asrapid]

Originally Posted by goblue

If GM is serious about this they are going to need a new powertrain. That 3.6L DI TT can't come fast enough. It would be the choice for this application. Also, the 2.8L T needs to be redone to bring it up to modern standards. Both should be available in the ATS.

there was rumors that there is plan for 3.0 l V6 TT with around 420 hp..or v6 with bigger displacement (up to 4.0 l)..but I haven't heard or read anything about it in couple of months.
I2.8 l v6 from insignia makes 325 hp..all it needs is direct injection.

[goblue]

Originally Posted by asrapid

there was rumors that there is plan for 3.0 l V6 TT with around 420 hp..or v6 with bigger displacement (up to 4.0 l)..but I haven't heard or read anything about it in couple of months.
I2.8 l v6 from insignia makes 325 hp..all it needs is direct injection.

It should have it. Quite an abomination to put a non-DI turbo in the SRX. It's so silly - Ford is getting all sorts of legitimate credit for EcoBoost when GM could have done the same thing and in some ways have years ago.

[BigAls87Z28]

I hope that the LNF is the standard engine, in two trims, as well as the 3.6DI as optional engine.
And then a turbo 6 as its V trim. But with Alpha being shared with Chevy for the 6th gen Camaro, there will probably be room for a V8. 450hp direct injected Gen V V8 will sure be plenty for the next gen M3, RS4, and C63.