If cadillac can build an ATS that beats this AMEN!!! I will sign up tomorrow!!!

[tbirderic]

Originally Posted by Suziebob

Cadillac can do it.

This is my most anticipated new GM release, since I'll be in the market for one in the next 4-5 years.

My guess will be that the ATS will repat the CTS's saga. That is, the first generation will be a good car, but not class leading, while the second gen. will be fully competitive.

Originally Posted by DoomsDave

S4 vs 335i is a ridiculous comparison. Let me know when the S4 beats the M3.

I believe the 3-series is being redesigned for the next model year. ATS should be aiming for that.

The S4 is optioned up over $60K in that video. I don't think the ATS should be playing in that price range. Even an ATS-V should be under $60K, IMO.

Agree on all counts.

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

yes they are larger then the predecessor

They probably should have kept the A4 sized where it was for the last two generations.

[ARCANGEL]

They probably should have kept the A4 sized where it was for the last two generations.[/quote]

you wont get an argument from me, i liked it smaller as well not that I dislike it now just not as taut

[big swede]

Originally Posted by chaseabryant

as to the video, I sort of wonder why they didn't use the 335xi against the S4. AWD vs AWD seems a bit more fair to me.

They claimed that the RWD BMW is the more compelling package and does everything better than the AWD version besides 0-60. The AWD Audi was used because the front driver wouldn't have a prayer.

[chaseabryant]

Originally Posted by big swede

They claimed that the RWD BMW is the more compelling package and does everything better than the AWD version besides 0-60. The AWD Audi was used because the front driver wouldn't have a prayer.

lol, okay, I can see that.

-Chase

[JBsZ06]

The ATS will be much lower priced than the S4 and closer to the 335i when at the top of the range..

As it sits..the S4 is priced too close to the much larger...much faster CTS V..

I spotted a brand new CTS V in the paper today for 58 grand.

Dam tempting vehicle..


I expect the ATS V to be priced 10 to 15 grand less ...(43 grand)
I expect the ATS to begin at around 30 large.

[70eldo]

I see that the ATS will, just like the CTS, gain more in versatility over its lifespan. The CTS generation was first launched in 2003 as sedan only with (eventually) 3 different engines. Now the second generation will have a coupe and a wagon with AWD and it actually should've had a diesel and a turbo-V6.

Mind you, that the A4 platform went through a lot of generation to get to the versatility it now has with multiple diesel, petrol and high performance versions with FWD and AWD as sedan and wagon. (The A3 derived from the A4 platform). Same for the 3-series that lives through 30+ years of generations.

You honostly cannot expect that at day one from new platforms like CTS and ATS. But hey, Cadillac will get there. I think you have to respect that Cadillac did this in 2 Generations of a new platform in 6 years time.

[gdsm3]

Originally Posted by big swede

They claimed that the RWD BMW is the more compelling package and does everything better than the AWD version besides 0-60. The AWD Audi was used because the front driver wouldn't have a prayer.

There is no fwd version of the S4 available. The S4 is AWD only.

Originally Posted by tbirderic

They probably should have kept the A4 sized where it was for the last two generations.

Have you ever seen the back seat space of the previous gen A4? The extra rear seat legroom was definitely needed.

[gdsm3]

Originally Posted by DoomsDave

S4 vs 335i is a ridiculous comparison. Let me know when the S4 beats the M3.

I believe the 3-series is being redesigned for the next model year. ATS should be aiming for that.

The S4 is optioned up over $60K in that video. I don't think the ATS should be playing in that price range. Even an ATS-V should be under $60K, IMO.

The S4 has been repositioned to compete against the 335i/xi and for the time being it handily outperforms it. The new RS4/RS5 will be the M3 competitor. The S4 base prices are a few thousand higher than the 3 series, but they come with much more standard equipment with their 3 tiered package system. A similarly equipped 335xi would cost about the same as the S4 and the 335 can definitely be optioned up to a similarly ridiculous price too. I am thinking for my next car it will most likely be between the S4 and the ATS if GM produces it within the next 1.5 yrs. I don't think the 3 series would make the final cut since they are so common in the DC metro area. The new S4 is a little pricey so if the ATS is a compelling package with a cheaper price i'd definitely hop into the Cadillac camp. Cadillac has a lot of work to do if they want to touch this car or the next gen 3 series due out soon!

[gdsm3]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

man I sure hope so that S4 is SICK!!!!!!! sweet styling, awesome engine, beautiful interior and nice slick transmission

AGREED!

[asrapid]

Hmmm.Here in europe most magazines(by some european standarss ) , and most people, will put Cadillac ATS-V to compete against Audi RS4 and not S4. I've already read some magazine where they were comparing opel insignia OPC (with 325 HP) against Audi s4..and it didn't turn out bad for Opel OPC...now rs4 is different kind of animal.But yes, bmw 3, mercedes C and audi A4 is class that Cadillac should be aiming at. Especially if they are going to bild ATS-V; light (like M3), powerful (at least 450 hp) exellent handling ..maybe not so cramped inside like Bmw 3.

[PAULSTS1]

This is great for Audi, not so great for any upstart (ATS); did anyone hear how much it will cost to best the 3 Series, the new Audi costs $60K. In addition, it was not a from the ground up new vehicle, Audi has top line cars above this class; it just brought down some competition components creating a superior conveyance.

General Motors has a “strained” budget and it is limited because the market the 3 Series competes in is untested by a domestic. Attempting to break-in to a market is risky because why the 3 Series sells is: appeal, perception, and peer pressure. For BMW loss of position is a single year issue, next year the 3 Series will be upgraded and may be on top again. When in the chips, it is not hard to take risks; if your money is funny, it is a gamble!

[JBsZ06]

I drove the a4 and it was such a POS I can't believe people pay 40 grand for it...much less 60...

I'm sure the DSG version is smokin hot but the cvt tranny automatic version I drove was so bad....The four cylinder G6 which I drove right after was a better driving vehicle...

Thats how bad the audi was..

Horrible.. I am sure the new buick Regal is a better vehicle than the a4 and the upcoming ATS will kick its butt too..

fwiw..most a4's are the turbo 4 with cvt..UGH!!!

[aldw]

Originally Posted by PAULSTS1

This is great for Audi, not so great for any upstart (ATS); did anyone hear how much it will cost to best the 3 Series, the new Audi costs $60K. In addition, it was not a from the ground up new vehicle, Audi has top line cars above this class; it just brought down some competition components creating a superior conveyance.

General Motors has a “strained” budget and it is limited because the market the 3 Series competes in is untested by a domestic. Attempting to break-in to a market is risky because why the 3 Series sells is: appeal, perception, and peer pressure. For BMW loss of position is a single year issue, next year the 3 Series will be upgraded and may be on top again. When in the chips, it is not hard to take risks; if your money is funny, it is a gamble!

Holden learned how to compete with the best with a shoestring budget, GMNA just needs to do the same to kick butt too.

[ARCANGEL]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

I drove the a4 and it was such a POS I can't believe people pay 40 grand for it...much less 60...

I'm sure the DSG version is smokin hot but the cvt tranny automatic version I drove was so bad....The four cylinder G6 which I drove right after was a better driving vehicle...

Thats how bad the audi was..

Horrible.. I am sure the new buick Regal is a better vehicle than the a4 and the upcoming ATS will kick its butt too..

fwiw..most a4's are the turbo 4 with cvt..UGH!!!

Audis do not have cvt transmissions. I also find your so called reviews hard to believe. Not only have I driven one but many articles,reviews and consumer ratings differ in Your opinion

[JBsZ06]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

Audis do not have cvt transmissions. I also find your so called reviews hard to believe. Not only have I driven one but many articles,reviews and consumer ratings differ in Your opinion

I don't think they still have CVT transmissions but they did in 2007 and the Audi A4 drove like crap.. LOL

Sorry but its true...the G6 four cylinder I drove right after...was a better driving vehicle than the A4 automatic.(and it made me laugh because I believe the transaction price on the G6 was like 12 grand vs 35 grand for the audi A4. Sure the Audi was put together better but the pontiac drove better down the road.. LOL

I wanted to like the Audi A4 because its red paint sure was pretty..

Sorry you don't like my honest opinion...and (remember its just an opinion) I dislike cvt transmissions and have in each vehicle I've test driven that had it.

(edit) The 2007 A4 is offered in both sedan an Avant wagon forms — with either front-wheel or quattro all-wheel-drive. It comes powered by a choice of four and six-cylinder engines. Standard is a 2.0-liter turbocharged direct-injection in-line four that generates 200-horsepower; the optional 3.2-liter V-6 is borrowed from the larger A6 and likewise uses direct injection to produce 255 horses — a bump of 20 horsepower vs. last year’s version. The four-cylinder can be mated to either a six-speed manual or]Multitronic continuously variable (CVT) automatic transmission in the sedan version; the wagon and all V-6 models offer a choice of the six-speed manual or a conventional six-speed automatic gearbox. For 2007, the Symphony audio system gets MP3 capability — and cassette players are dropped. Heated front seats are now available as a stand-alone option on V-6/Quattro models — but have been discontinued for FWD/2.0T models. The 3.2 sedan and Quattro get a standard sunroof (it was formerly an option) and all automatic-equipped A4s get F1-style shift paddles on the steering wheel. Four-wheel anti-lock disc brakes with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, the latest version of Audi’s Electronic Stabilization Program, traction control, and front-seat side-impact and side-curtain airbags all come standard, along with a tilt/telescoping steering wheel. Options include adaptive high-intensity discharge headlamps and a navigation system with Audi’s Multi-Media Interface.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/fullreview/audi_a4_2007