2010 DTS Brochure

[kgm777]

[quote=OLDSCHOOLGMFAN;1875492]

Not only am I against them making it smaller on principal, but in the history of GM downsizing, they only did it in a non-offensive manner with the '77 B-bodies, '79 E-Bodies, and the '82 F-bodies (To a lesser extent though, cause I prefer the skirts and spoilers of the '85 and up cars). The '78 G-Body coupes I like, but NOT the sedans and wagons, and the rest of their downsizing that came in the mid/late '80s, sheesh MAJOR ugly stick alert, as well as crapping out on utility! So I think I have plum good reason to worry!

The 1986 downsize of the Eldorado and Seville was laughable as it made them look more like go-carts than cars. But then, I still think Cadillac should have another Brougham or Fleetwood model, even if it's only an inch or so longer than anything else in GM's or Ford's stable. As for full-sized cars, a major L/M dealer had a catered event on Oct 15; a salesman told me they're not ordering any 2010 Town Cars for inventory, even though Lincoln is offering a special edition called the "Continental Edition." Last chance to buy a new Town Car. Any takers?

[PAULSTS1]

In my current review of Blu-Ray Titles, I streamed on Netflix last evening the movie “Cadillac Records” Starring Beyonce as the legendary Etta James! That story was as much about Cadillac as it was about music. In fact, the sampling of Cadillac models brought back what was in essence the American vehicle of aspirations. This is what current Cadillac’s lack, that intrinsic someday reward.

Today in 2009 that reward defines, something with a Teutonic background or old English artisanship, so herein lays the quandary for Cadillac: Where does it go from here? When Cadillac announced the Pininfarina bodied Allante, there was promise of a truly Cadillac European offering (alas Italian instead of French, today Euro is the proper reference). However, as previously mentioned: The poorly designed convertible top, the initially inferior engine, and finally the shortcoming of the drivetrain rendered the car underqualified. As a sidebar note: Everyday I observe a silver Allante parked (derelict)a block away, slowly decaying in a driveway as the owner either doesn’t love cars or hasn’t come up with a plan to restore it; the leather interior cracking in the sun because of the failed convertible top at half mast. I apologize as semi-retirement has made me long-winded and full of reflection on everything!

Finally I see the upcoming XTS as a possible satiation for the starving (showrooms and customers) and not as a trailblazer. It will be a hit especially if outfitted as GM has just remembered to do; if given full colors and option packages.

[cad1cts]

Paul I always enjoy reading your posts, along with several others on this forum. Congrats on semi retirement, I hope you're throughly enjoying it. That's quite a shame about the Allante. Every now and then I see a few of them running around. I still think it is a very attractive design.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

[quote][quote=kgm777;1875714]

Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN

The 1986 downsize of the Eldorado and Seville was laughable as it made them look more like go-carts than cars.

Damn right, it's a CRIME what GM did to those great cars!

But then, I still think Cadillac should have another Brougham or Fleetwood model, even if it's only an inch or so longer than anything else in GM's or Ford's stable.

I plum agree! But let's make it longer than an inch!

As for full-sized cars, a major L/M dealer had a catered event on Oct 15; a salesman told me they're not ordering any 2010 Town Cars for inventory, even though Lincoln is offering a special edition called the "Continental Edition." Last chance to buy a new Town Car. Any takers?

SIGH. They're just determined to kill the car. Sad, and just plain SICK!

[PAULSTS1]

Originally Posted by cad1cts

Paul I always enjoy reading your posts, along with several others on this forum. Congrats on semi retirement, I hope you're throughly enjoying it. That's quite a shame about the Allante. Every now and then I see a few of them running around. I still think it is a very attractive design.

Thank you Cad1cts:

I am enjoying it although I have been busier than ever, at least up to the last 2 weeks or so!

[ryannel2003]

As ancient as the current DTS is, it's still a really nice car. It has a gorgeous exterior (especially in a shade of Crystal Red or Black) and a well designed interior. Unfortunately Cadillac has let it languish for years with a mediocre powertrain (not so much the Northstar, but that damn 4 speed auto) and a price that few are willing to pay for something based on a 10 year old car (and a 15 year old platform). I had an '07 DTS loaner for 4 days and enjoyed all the comforts and it handled much better than I expected. At the end of the day, I prefer my Seville for it's sleeker styling and more expensive looking interior. Maybe a drive in a DTS Performance would change my mind...

[PAULSTS1]

Actually Ryannel 2003 the DTS isn't a bad car for what it was designed as! I have rented them several times as it is a Fleet Queen and it is comfortable, quiet, powerful enough, and it does handle reasonably for a decade old design. My criticism is that GM should have cared enough about its premium clientele to update it 5 years ago! Had that occurred Cadillac would still be profitable, but GM was stretched too thinly and did not have the funds to invest, or the management to make right decisions, for this the FOX raided the hen house!

The new XTS will be a good replacement for the DTS and if the styling and interior is as good or better than current offerings, it may help to turn around the downward spiral of Cadillac. We can cross our fingers and hope.

[b4z]

This is my problem with the DTS, and you can flame me if you want:

1) Lack of structural rigidity. This is not a stiff platform and the car does not feel modern and up to date.
2) Engine roar under hard acceleration. Sounds like a late '70s Z28 camaro with that induction roar.
3) Lack of rear seat legroom. Friend of mine has a first generation toyota avalon and it has so much more rear legroom that it is ridiculous.

Regarding the STS, my negatives are:

1) Headroom is low with the sunroof. Some of you may remember that Lutz didn't like the sketches of the car and had them lower the roof 1".
2) area over rear wheel is slabsided and looks a little downmarket.
3) dashboard is not a good design, especially over the glovebox.


Overall I would say the DTS is a good looking car, the STS MCE makes it look much better, but the DTS has heinous depreciation worse than the SRX's.
Wish Lutz hadn't screwed with the STS's roofline but it looks great from the front.

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by b4z

This is my problem with the DTS, and you can flame me if you want:

1) Lack of structural rigidity. This is not a stiff platform and the car does not feel modern and up to date.
2) Engine roar under hard acceleration. Sounds like a late '70s Z28 camaro with that induction roar.
3) Lack of rear seat legroom. Friend of mine has a first generation toyota avalon and it has so much more rear legroom that it is ridiculous.

Regarding the STS, my negatives are:

1) Headroom is low with the sunroof. Some of you may remember that Lutz didn't like the sketches of the car and had them lower the roof 1".
2) area over rear wheel is slabsided and looks a little downmarket.
3) dashboard is not a good design, especially over the glovebox.


Overall I would say the DTS is a good looking car, the STS MCE makes it look much better, but the DTS has heinous depreciation worse than the SRX's.
Wish Lutz hadn't screwed with the STS's roofline but it looks great from the front.

All interesting points, but academic. Production of both cars will end before next summer.

[jry]

Originally Posted by b4z

This is my problem with the DTS, and you can flame me if you want:

1) Lack of structural rigidity. This is not a stiff platform and the car does not feel modern and up to date.
2) Engine roar under hard acceleration. Sounds like a late '70s Z28 camaro with that induction roar.
3) Lack of rear seat legroom. Friend of mine has a first generation toyota avalon and it has so much more rear legroom that it is ridiculous.

Regarding the STS, my negatives are:

1) Headroom is low with the sunroof. Some of you may remember that Lutz didn't like the sketches of the car and had them lower the roof 1".
2) area over rear wheel is slabsided and looks a little downmarket.
3) dashboard is not a good design, especially over the glovebox.


Overall I would say the DTS is a good looking car, the STS MCE makes it look much better, but the DTS has heinous depreciation worse than the SRX's.
Wish Lutz hadn't screwed with the STS's roofline but it looks great from the front.

The current STS front looks great. The DTS rear seating is cavernous.
And, like our other friend said, its a moot point. These two are goners.

[johnstarnes]

I am getting more and more excited to see the XTS/DT7/whatever, both inside and out, plus am curious about its powertrain....V6? V8? Voltec variant?

[2002 Caddy]

Originally Posted by johnstarnes

I am getting more and more excited to see the XTS/DT7/whatever, both inside and out, plus am curious about its powertrain....V6? V8? Voltec variant?

If you believe Docray... and he was right about the 9C1 "no soup for you" zeta and he was right about the automatic only sport wagon. (as well as dozens of other predictions)

In its first year release the XTS will be a V6 FWD/AWD car only... Hybrid maybe... Voltec? No V8? No... not in the first year.

[mbukukanyau]

All I can say is Cadillac needs to get serious about becoming a Global brand. The Folks in Detroit need to find a way.

[b4z]

Rear seat legroom in the DTS is hardly cavernous.
I'm 6'8" with the DTS's front seat back to where I am comfortable the rear seat legroom is not great at all.
In the first gen Avalon, with the front seat back to where I am comfortable rear seat legroom is huge!

[jry]

Originally Posted by b4z

Rear seat legroom in the DTS is hardly cavernous.
I'm 6'8" with the DTS's front seat back to where I am comfortable the rear seat legroom is not great at all.
In the first gen Avalon, with the front seat back to where I am comfortable rear seat legroom is huge!

Well i am just a short 6'1" so i guess i am not qualified to discuss this.
However, i have driven many DTS sedans. Been in a few Avalons.
One of our staffers had a first gen. Avalon. Your description of the back seat room doesn't fly. Did you take the trunk out in yours?

Interesting that, by your account, the seating room isn't the same in the current generation.

BTW, just pulled the spec's for the first gen. Avalon. The rear seat leg room? A whopping 38.4".
Gee, that puts it in the same class as the MKS? STS? The overall length is only 190" and the wheelbase is 107". You can only do so much with 190".
Nice try, bud.