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    Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    What's your ideal Pontiac lineup? Post it here!

    Mine is here: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...d.php?p=150676
    Check that for an example and ideas...
    Last edited by AmericanRevolution; 12-17-2005 at 06:51 PM.
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Solstice - The nimble handler - turbocharged engine optional in GXP model
    G4 - Restyled Suzuki Aerio entry car in sedan and hatch form.
    G6 - With oodles of trim options, bread & butter car. Push 3900 engine with marketing - focusing on "new" engine status, and variable valve timing.
    G8 - RWD V8 (3900 V6 base) sedan. Must be different in some significant way from the Chevy version. Comp/G package remains. Offers similar interior space to Bonneville, but at Grand Prix prices at the low end.
    GTO - Similar to G8, but coupe form, lowered suspension (GTO Tempest V6 base car) Styling much more extroverted than outgoing GTO or G8. Free-flowing muffler tuned for NOISE!
    SV6 - Redesigned true "sport van" 3900 engine standard, lowered stance, doubles as "ute" and van with bold, stylish looks, thumpin' 12-speaker "Thunder" package sound system.
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Restyled Aerio? Now that's a first that I've heard... And base GTO getting a V6? And I still am trying to figure out why Pontiac needs a "sports" van... Wow... Aside w/ disagreeing with those three, I'd generally like it...
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Solstice Roadster Convertible (High Output 4 cylinder)
    G4 (Sunfire replacement - sedan, coupe, convertible models, must look sportier than the Chevy Cobalt) (4 cylinder)
    G6 - Sedan, Coupe, Convertible (V6)
    G8 - (Grand Prix replacement -- sedan, and also offer a sporty coupe) (V8)
    Firebird (Bring back the Firebird, Formula, and Trans Am to replace the slow selling GTO) (Offer V6 on Firebird, V8 on Formula and Trans Am -- convertible available on all models)
    Aggressor (Pontiac version of the Chevy Corvette, but much sportier appearance and more horsepower)


    Pontiac is supposed to be the sport and performance division -- so all models should be badged with GT on base models, GTP for loaded option models, and GXP for high performance models -- with the exception of the Solstice and Firebird). I understand why Pontiac took off the "cladding" on the door panels -- but I want them to bring back the ground effects, hood scoops, and big spoilers! Okay, get ready to laugh -- but I miss the semi-hidden pop-up headlight covers that used to be on the late 80s/early 90s Pontiac Sunbird GT's!! Also make all convertibles retractable hardtops -- no more soft tops. Eliminate the Vibe, Torrent, and Montana SV6 from the Pontiac lineup. Pontiac should stick to cars. If people don't like the higher prices or high performance, than they should buy the cheaper sister car version at their local Chevy dealer =)
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    SKOTT, you wanna offer more info? See mine for an example: http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showthread.php?t=10399
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Pursuit: (fwd, Coblat based) 2.2L Ecotec, 2.4L Eco-tec and 215hp 2.0 S/C Eco-tec. Both 4 door sedans, 2 door coupes and 5 door hatch (mini-wagon)

    Solstice: 2.4L Ectotec base and 240hp 2.4L S/C. NEW 2 door coupe.

    G6. Base 2.4L Ecotec, SE 2.8L DOHC HF V6 210hp, GT 255hp 3.6L HF
    Offer an optional AWS on SE and GT--see if it will sell. 6 speed autos and 6 speed manuals.

    Bonneville: RWD Sigma based. 265hp 3.6L HF V6, 330hp 4.6L Northstar,
    S/C 4.4 Northstar with 420hp

    GTO- 6.2L 430hp LS2 with 6 speed manual/6 speed auto
    Tempest-(GTO platform) 265hp 3.6L HF V6

    Mine has alot of engine overlap but so does Nissans 3.5L V6. Production of HF would be quite high and therefore lower costs.

    Pontiac needs to go hi-tech and get the hp up there. Stop acting sporty and prove it.

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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    bump! Post yours here!
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Solstice -- As is with a turbo GT model (I know, it's coming)

    Tempest -- Small stretched Kappa chassised coupe with 200Hp base Ecotec, 250-265Hp turbo GT model, and a 325Hp LS4 powered GXP.

    G6 -- As is with the addition of an awd option

    GP/GTO -- Zeta based 4door/2door 3.6HF base with LS4 GT and LS2 GXP
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Phoenix $20k - $25k built on next gen Delta AWD and Supercharged Ecotec 2.4, should be good for 250hp

    Solstice $20k - $30k as is.. With the Edition of the GXP model of course..

    Fiero $25k - $30k, Mid-Engine AWD 3.9 V6, the 3.9 V6 gets a pump to 300hp and 265 ft.lb
    It will revive the orginal Fiero, and it will be close to the Ferrari F430 design theme

    Firebird $30k - $35k LS4 V8 RWD, the LS4 should be good for 350hp and 350 ft.lb of torque
    Based on Zeta it will continue on the design theme of the last gen Firebird, with hoodscoopes, flared wheel arches and popup headlights

    GTO $35k - $55k LS2 V8 RWD, optional LS7 V8 and AWD, engines same output as in the Corevtte, no detuning!
    Based on Zeta, it will have extended wheelbase for more legroom in the back and will have different sheetmetal and interior design than the Firebird and more upscale and luxurious


    All coupes, no Sedans nor SUVs in My Pontiac Lineup, the Sedans and SUVs will be covered by GMC and Buick..

    Added more info..
    Last edited by Butz; 12-18-2005 at 02:07 AM.

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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by Butz
    Phoenix $20k - $25k built on next gen Delta AWD and Supercharged Ecotec 2.4
    Solstice $20k - $30k as is.. With the Edition of the GXP model of course..
    Fiero $25k - $30k, Mid-Engine AWD 3.9 V6
    Firebird $30k - $35k LS4 V8 RWD
    GTO $35k - $55k LS2 V8 RWD, optional LS7 V8 and AWD

    All coupes, no Sedans nor SUVs in My Pontiac Lineup, the Sedans and SUVs will be covered by GMC and Buick..
    Buick doesn't build performance sedans and GMC doesn't build performance SUV's...

    Otherwise, seems good... any other details? Power output? Designs? Etc?
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    My Pontiac Lineup

    G4 -- FWD/AWD compact sedan/hatch.
    Engine -- EcoTec @ 171 & 210
    GXP -- EcoTec 250
    Tranny -- 5spd Auto w/ Tapshift or 6spd manual

    G6 -- FWD/AWD midsized sedan/coupe/convertible/wagon
    Engine -- EcoTec @ 180 @ 225; V6 @ 250
    GXP -- V6 @280
    Tranny -- 5spd Auto w/ Tapshift or 6spd manual
    GXP -- 6spd Auto w/ TapShift

    G8 -- Full Sized RWD/AWD Sedan/Coupe
    Engine -- V6 @ 250; V6 @ 300
    GXP -- V8 @ 380
    Tranny -- 5spd Auto w/ Tapshift or 6spd manual
    GXP -- 6spd Auto w/ TapShift

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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Compact RWD chassis:
    Solstice: 2.4L I4 turbo 2.0L I4
    Sunbird 2-door 4-seat fastback: same

    Mid-size RWD chassis:
    Firebird: 4.8L V8 5.3L V8
    Trans Am: LS2
    Grand Am 4-door 5-seat with optional AWD: 3.5L V6 4.8L V8 5.3 V8

    Full-size RWD chassis:
    GTO: LS2
    Grand Prix 4-door 5-seat with optional AWD: 4.8L V8 5.3L V8 LS2
    Safari 7-seat crossover with optional AWD: 5.3L V8 LS2

    The crossover would be nothing more then a over glorified station wagon like the SRX is.

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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

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    Current Rides:
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    1997 Accord Special Edition > 2003 G35 Sedan > 2004 GTO 5.7 > 1991 Buick Park Avenue (debt free!) > 2006 Charger RT

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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    • Grand Prix -- This would be a true GT machine that would be built off of the Zeta platform. To me it matters not whether it is built in Oz next to the Commodore or if it is built in NA at Oshawa. Base power should come from the 3.6HF V6 engine making around 275-300Hp and have both a 6-speed manual and automatic transmissions available. A GT level car should have a RWD version of the LS4 making in the 325-340Hp range and the GXP shold have a minimum of 400Hp
    • GTO -- This would basically be the two door version of the Grand Prix. It should have a different front and rear fascia to further differentiate the model. Hood scoops and a modernized GTO badge should also grace this car. Powertrains would be the same as the Grand Prix except no V6 version
    • Tempest -- This would be a sedan based on the Holden Torana concept and would replace the current G6. The base power should come from a NA version of the DI Ecotec engine and should have around 200Hp, an upgraded GT model would get either a Turbo DI Ecotec making 260-275 HP or a 3.6 HF making the same power. The top of the line GXP would get a LS4 making in the 325-330Hp range
    • Firebird -- The coupe version of the Tempest with different sheet metal front and rear. Powertrain options would be similar. This car would be smaller, lighter, and more agile than the Zeta based Comaro
    • Solstice Roadster -- Current car but continually upgraded
    • Solstice Coupe -- Hardtop version of the roadster, it would still only seat two but would be a more all-season car
    • Tsunami -- This would be the replacement to the G5 and would be highly based on the Opel Astra OPC hatch and only the hatch model, no sedan or coupe, those would be for Saturn and Chevrolet instead. The base engine would be the NA DI Ecotec making around 200Hp and the GXP version would have the Turbo DI making 260-270Hp
    • Torrent -- This could be one of two different ideas. The first would be an AWD only version of the Theta chassis sporting the 3.6HF making around 275Hp or the second choice would be a CUV based on the Torana chassis with the same powerplant. Either way, the vehilce should be a cross between the current Torrent and the outgoing Aztec. The CUV would be a highly versatile and optionable vehicle for active Type-A lifestylers.
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    Re: Your Ideal Pontiac Lineup

    Solstice: (2 seater/hardtop optional) 4 cylinder w/Turbo GXP

    G6: different name a must, more muscular styling, lots of tech options (Ipod, Nav, etc..) 2 door, 4 door, and vert options

    Grand Prix: 4 door only, optional V8 350hp-ish, wheel flares, wide tires, dual exhaust, sunroof, chrome grill and accents

    GTO: 2 door version of GP but w/ more style, hood scoops, tasteful spoilers, optional "Judge" Edition (450hp).

    Firebird: Base 275hp V6, Formula 345 hp midlevel V8, 425hp T/A 6.2. Screaming eagle hood graphic, blacked out tail lights, quad headlights, significant different styling than Camaro.

    *All Pontiacs should have shared styling cues (hood scoops, wheel flares, dual exhaust, red gauge lighting, etc..)

    *Colored interiors are a must. The one thing I really liked about the GTOs was that the colored interiors brought life into an otherwise dull car.
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