Review: 2007 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged

[ChevroletTough]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Past 2012 there cannot be a SS car at all and the nameplate must be retired because SS car's have to be fuel inefficient.

Damn the world we live in. This is all the fault of greedy oil tycoons. They are destroying my dream.

Doesn't mean I can't find an old Chevelle laying around and restore it, and then mod the crap out of it. Thats all i'm asking for anyway.

Since nobody is getting anywhere here, and now its a 2 on 1 (good odds for anyone..) I'm going to leave this thread with one simple quote.

I hope at least you can see where I'm coming from. Don't think I can't tell where you're coming from.

"There is NO replacement for displacement."

Long live Detroit Iron

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by ChevroletTough

Damn the world we live in. This is all the fault of greedy oil tycoons. They are destroying my dream.

Doesn't mean I can't find an old Chevelle laying around and restore it, and then mod the crap out of it. Thats all i'm asking for anyway.

Since nobody is getting anywhere here, and now its a 2 on 1 (good odds for anyone..) I'm going to leave this thread with one simple quote.

I hope at least you can see where I'm coming from. Don't think I can't tell where you're coming from.

"There is NO replacement for displacement."

Long live Detroit Iron

Which is why there are plenty of boosted 4-cylinder engines that can reach 300 horsepower with torque to match, and there are pleant of V6 powerplants that make more power then 90% of the old smallblocks, and today's smallblocks make more power then the old big blocks.

You have turned this into one of those "I wish GM would put the 8.1 Vortec motor into everything" threads.

I am going to get one of my cousins in Wannamingo to go smack some sense into you.

[CobaltSScrazy]

Originally Posted by ChevroletTough

NO you are the one who is insane. I make very valid points. And we are destroying this thread for a Review on a completely different car, so lets agree to disagree. end of story.

I appologize to cobaltSScrazy.

Yo ChevTough no worries, at least we understand where each of us is coming from! I hope you do get that 454 Big Block Chevelle SS! Old muscle cars ARE badass, I used to drive a 77 Pontiac Trans Am with the 6.6L BB 400 Pontiac V8...for a late 70's car it doesn't get any better than that (outside of a Vette) and it was amazing!

I like sport compacts and I like muscle. One day I plan on owning either a new Camaro Z28/SS or new Corvette (some day after I buy a sedan b/c I will have a family and assuming I'm making 70-100k/year in 5-10 years from now)...I like the different styles, I like the better attributes of each. Muscle goes fast, its big its safe, its rwd, it looks hott, tq pulling you like mad and its just a different driving experience with the long hood short deck that looks good!

on the other hand, in the cobalt its way low to the ground, turbo spooling, hearing the blow off valve, feeling glued to the road and handling like it, sitting tight in the cockpit seeing everything right in front of you with the short hood, seeing the high spoiler off the back end, and revving the engine to its hearts's content.

Both accomplish the same goal, going fast, looking great, and enjoying your driving experience. I get that. Thanks for your input though

CobaltSScrazy

[ChevroletTough]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Which is why there are plenty of boosted 4-cylinder engines that can reach 300 horsepower with torque to match, and there are pleant of V6 powerplants that make more power then 90% of the old smallblocks, and today's smallblocks make more power then the old big blocks.

You have turned this into one of those "I wish GM would put the 8.1 Vortec motor into everything" threads.

I am going to get one of my cousins in Wannamingo to go smack some sense into you.

HEY NOW!!! I never said everything needs an 8.1 vortec!!!

A personal threat? sheesh thats low man. Hope they don't get lost on the way... haha

At least CobaltSSCrazy has character. Read his above post. Agree to disagree man. Don't just think I'm some hick from a small town that doesn't know anything. As a matter of fact I no longer live in Zumbrota, because I have decided to be successful at college...

Very well put CobaltSSCrazy. I thank you for seeing BOTH sides of the disagreement and pointing out pros of both.
VERY Mature, sensable and easy going.

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by ChevroletTough

HEY NOW!!! I never said everything needs an 8.1 vortec!!!

A personal threat? sheesh thats low man. Hope they don't get lost on the way... haha

At least CobaltSSCrazy has character. Read his above post. Agree to disagree man. Don't just think I'm some hick from a small town that doesn't know anything. As a matter of fact I no longer live in Zumbrota, because I have decided to be successful at college...

Very well put CobaltSSCrazy. I thank you for seeing BOTH sides of the disagreement and pointing out pros of both.
VERY Mature, sensable and easy going.

I am not trying to paint you as a hick. I love the area that you grew up there and have lived there myself for a while.

However, there is not a tuner scene around there. I know this and you know this.

You are criticizing what other people are into. You will not allow the new generation of car enthusiast into the club.

GM has build up too much brand equity in the SS moniker to throw it away because they have to build more fuel efficient cars.

BTW in the 60's it was affordable to get a V8 car. Now you can't touch one for under $30,000.00

Times have changed, and so have the cars. You are raining on cobaltsscrazy's parade, and mine too.

FWD 4 cylinder cars can be awsome. Comparing a Cobalt SS to your old Escort is jusr demeaning.

Go drive a Cobalt SS, you might be pleasently surprised that it can do a lot of things that you look for in a car, and still get 30 mpg.

[ChevroletTough]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

I am not trying to paint you as a hick. I love the area that you grew up there and have lived there myself for a while.

However, there is not a tuner scene around there. I know this and you know this.

You are criticizing what other people are into. You will not allow the new generation of car enthusiast into the club.

GM has build up too much brand equity in the SS moniker to throw it away because they have to build more fuel efficient cars.

BTW in the 60's it was affordable to get a V8 car. Now you can't touch one for under $30,000.00

Times have changed, and so have the cars. You are raining on cobaltsscrazy's parade, and mine too.

FWD 4 cylinder cars can be awsome. Comparing a Cobalt SS to your old Escort is jusr demeaning.

Go drive a Cobalt SS, you might be pleasently surprised that it can do a lot of things that you look for in a car, and still get 30 mpg.

You just took a shining to SSCobaltCrazy, by being civilized.

Anyway, yes times have changed. There are levels of car clubs. I'm not raining on anyones parade, I just wanted to give my 2 cents. And I guess if that offends people, so be it.

So comparing an old camaro to a cobalt is fine, but comparing a cobalt to an old escort is wrong? gee I'd say the escort and cobalt have more in common.... but thats besides the point.

I can agree the SS cobalt could do a lot of things I'd like. But it won't ever be RWD which is where I see the biggest defining line of a sports/muscle car.

I can find used 04 05 GTO's for under 20k. Great power, Decent fuel econ. Exactly what I'd want, but with a bowtie.

[CobaltSScrazy]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

I am not trying to paint you as a hick. I love the area that you grew up there and have lived there myself for a while.

However, there is not a tuner scene around there. I know this and you know this.

You are criticizing what other people are into. You will not allow the new generation of car enthusiast into the club.

GM has build up too much brand equity in the SS moniker to throw it away because they have to build more fuel efficient cars.

BTW in the 60's it was affordable to get a V8 car. Now you can't touch one for under $30,000.00

Times have changed, and so have the cars. You are raining on cobaltsscrazy's parade, and mine too.

FWD 4 cylinder cars can be awsome. Comparing a Cobalt SS to your old Escort is jusr demeaning.

Go drive a Cobalt SS, you might be pleasently surprised that it can do a lot of things that you look for in a car, and still get 30 mpg.

I believe you make some VERY good points, and ChevTough I hope you don't take it personally.

For instance, in Oxford, MI there is a restraunt (name escapes me) off of Lapeer road past downtown heading north. Its on the west side of the road and looks like an old barn. well there was a 'car show' there and my brother and I tried to go in the 06 Cobalt LS modded 5speed to it. Well there was a fiero there, there were all sorts of older muscle cars there, a ferrari to boot (older prob. mid 80's) and then some guy tells my brother to move his car, we are like, "What the heck????" he's like well if its not 25+ years old it can't be out here, and laughs condescendingly at us. It pissed me off to no end had we been driving a brand new 2009 Camaro SS you bet you're ass we'd have the front'n'center view of the car show. They discriminated against us for liking and driving our sport compact instead of our 'Rents 2002 Trans AM LS1. I ---HATE--- people like that. They didn't let us 'into the club' and I resented them for it, needless to say a burnout and some bass bumping music later after viewing other cars there, we were on our way.

Times have changed, a Cobalt SS is worlds apart from a escort. its like comparing a LT1 93 Camaro to a 2008 G8 GT, WORLDS APART! I do hate the fact you cannot get a V8 for under 30k in most applications, the only one off hand I can think of car wise is a Mustang and thats at what, 26k?

So I am with you Ukillsam and I'm totally understanding where you're at ChevTough. At the end of the day its different strokes for different folks. As long as you like what you own/drive, I'm happy for you. Next time you see some 'muscle car' give a lil respect, and next time you see a sport compact like a Cobalt SS TC, MS3, SRT4, GTI...let him in the club b/c chances are he has just as much knowledge of his product as you do yours and respect him too.

JMO

CObaltSScrazy

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by ChevroletTough

You just took a shining to SSCobaltCrazy, by being civilized.

Anyway, yes times have changed. There are levels of car clubs. I'm not raining on anyones parade, I just wanted to give my 2 cents. And I guess if that offends people, so be it.

So comparing an old camaro to a cobalt is fine, but comparing a cobalt to an old escort is wrong? gee I'd say the escort and cobalt have more in common.... but thats besides the point.

I can agree the SS cobalt could do a lot of things I'd like. But it won't ever be RWD which is where I see the biggest defining line of a sports/muscle car.


I can find used 04 05 GTO's for under 20k. Great power, Decent fuel econ. Exactly what I'd want, but with a bowtie.

Time to turn the demeaning back on.

Exactly how does buying a used GTO equate to having a chevy muscle car with a bowtie on it considering that it's a pontiac?

Your old escord was basic transportation. It's similarities with the Cobalt end with FWD and 4-cylinders.

The Cobalt blows the Escort away in performance.

An old muscle car does not blow the Cobalt away in performance.

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by CobaltSScrazy

I believe you make some VERY good points, and ChevTough I hope you don't take it personally.

For instance, in Oxford, MI there is a restraunt (name escapes me) off of Lapeer road past downtown heading north. Its on the west side of the road and looks like an old barn. well there was a 'car show' there and my brother and I tried to go in the 06 Cobalt LS modded 5speed to it. Well there was a fiero there, there were all sorts of older muscle cars there, a ferrari to boot (older prob. mid 80's) and then some guy tells my brother to move his car, we are like, "What the heck????" he's like well if its not 25+ years old it can't be out here, and laughs condescendingly at us. It pissed me off to no end had we been driving a brand new 2009 Camaro SS you bet you're ass we'd have the front'n'center view of the car show. They discriminated against us for liking and driving our sport compact instead of our 'Rents 2002 Trans AM LS1. I ---HATE--- people like that. They didn't let us 'into the club' and I resented them for it, needless to say a burnout and some bass bumping music later after viewing other cars there, we were on our way.

Times have changed, a Cobalt SS is worlds apart from a escort. its like comparing a LT1 93 Camaro to a 2008 G8 GT, WORLDS APART! I do hate the fact you cannot get a V8 for under 30k in most applications, the only one off hand I can think of car wise is a Mustang and thats at what, 26k?

So I am with you Ukillsam and I'm totally understanding where you're at ChevTough. At the end of the day its different strokes for different folks. As long as you like what you own/drive, I'm happy for you. Next time you see some 'muscle car' give a lil respect, and next time you see a sport compact like a Cobalt SS TC, MS3, SRT4, GTI...let him in the club b/c chances are he has just as much knowledge of his product as you do yours and respect him too.

JMO

CObaltSScrazy

Come to my neck of the woods. The first friday of every month Thomas Chevrolet has a "car show" and everybody with, oh how do I put this, an interesting car gets in.

There was a 53 Corvette worth 1 million dollars sitting there last year sitting next to a 600 horsepower Supra.

[ChevroletTough]

Originally Posted by CobaltSScrazy

I believe you make some VERY good points, and ChevTough I hope you don't take it personally.

For instance, in Oxford, MI there is a restraunt (name escapes me) off of Lapeer road past downtown heading north. Its on the west side of the road and looks like an old barn. well there was a 'car show' there and my brother and I tried to go in the 06 Cobalt LS modded 5speed to it. Well there was a fiero there, there were all sorts of older muscle cars there, a ferrari to boot (older prob. mid 80's) and then some guy tells my brother to move his car, we are like, "What the heck????" he's like well if its not 25+ years old it can't be out here, and laughs condescendingly at us. It pissed me off to no end had we been driving a brand new 2009 Camaro SS you bet you're ass we'd have the front'n'center view of the car show. They discriminated against us for liking and driving our sport compact instead of our 'Rents 2002 Trans AM LS1. I ---HATE--- people like that. They didn't let us 'into the club' and I resented them for it, needless to say a burnout and some bass bumping music later after viewing other cars there, we were on our way.

Times have changed, a Cobalt SS is worlds apart from a escort. its like comparing a LT1 93 Camaro to a 2008 G8 GT, WORLDS APART! I do hate the fact you cannot get a V8 for under 30k in most applications, the only one off hand I can think of car wise is a Mustang and thats at what, 26k?

So I am with you Ukillsam and I'm totally understanding where you're at ChevTough. At the end of the day its different strokes for different folks. As long as you like what you own/drive, I'm happy for you. Next time you see some 'muscle car' give a lil respect, and next time you see a sport compact like a Cobalt SS TC, MS3, SRT4, GTI...let him in the club b/c chances are he has just as much knowledge of his product as you do yours and respect him too.

JMO

CObaltSScrazy

Agreed. I would have let you into that show. You can't discriminate @ shows no matter the car. Thats just not right. I helped on a show sponsered by the UW Stout Auto Club (we had over 100 cars there last year) and I was the guy to tell everyone where to park their entry car. We let all cars in. Hell there was an old rusty vw bus! there were all sorts of cars. There was a muffler rapping contest... and let me tell you there was a n old vette that make the very earth i stood on shake.... sweet jesus! It was like being at a NASCAR race!

If we can't agree on brands, we can at least agree that engines are friggin sweet. No matter what you work on, as long as you don't just slap some rims and a muffler on, you're cool in my book. Though I might give the sport tuners a bit of hell

GTI? lets not get too carried away here... j/k!

[CobaltSScrazy]

Originally Posted by ChevroletTough

Agreed. I would have let you into that show. You can't discriminate @ shows no matter the car. Thats just not right. I helped on a show sponsered by the UW Stout Auto Club (we had over 100 cars there last year) and I was the guy to tell everyone where to park their entry car. We let all cars in. Hell there was an old rusty vw bus! there were all sorts of cars. There was a muffler rapping contest... and let me tell you there was a n old vette that make the very earth i stood on shake.... sweet jesus! It was like being at a NASCAR race!

If we can't agree on brands, we can at least agree that engines are friggin sweet. No matter what you work on, as long as you don't just slap some rims and a muffler on, you're cool in my book. Though I might give the sport tuners a bit of hell

GTI? lets not get too carried away here... j/k!

well apparently it was a 'classic' car show but numerous examples of non-classic cars were there and let in, so when ours wasn't that just blew my mind. discrimination. plain and simple.

Yes engines are sweet! thats ok, and I'll give ya some hell right back

GTI's bone stock are slightly embarrassing in the latest iteration. However if you tune it, immediately you get a 60hp boost and i'm sure on lb/ft tq...but its alright. I'd NEVER pay that much unless i were ****ting hundreds though, 28k for a base one is just way to much. over 30k for a stock sport compact just isn't right. plus GTI is too focused on 'creature comforts' and not enough hardline performance. same reason why i hate on Si's...torqueless wonders over priced under powered. The new Mugen Civic Si (analogous to our Lingenfelter/Hennessey performance products) doesn't even get a power boost! how lame is that? and they want 10k more than a base Si!

CobaltSScrazy

I don't like civics. at all.

[ChevroletTough]

Lol, pretty lame.

I guess id prefer dual turbos or a blower.

Id prefer a blower over just one turbo, though from what I know, turbos are more efficient. But blowers (super chargers) are better for low end.

But if you get 2 turbos.... one for low and and one for high end, they look SAWEEET and cover both power bands!

Which do you prefer? as if i have to ask? haha

plus if you get like a weiand blower setup you can have it sticking out of the hood, and put a mr. gasket flippy air-intake on there... ohhhhh!!!

[CobaltSScrazy]

hahaha^^^^ Nice. Well I like the instantaneous feeling of a S/C, its like having a larger displacement engine, but it runs out over time. I like the fact that with a turbo you don't 'use' any of the engines power to gain boost (power) like on a blower (S/C)...turbos run all on exhaust and compound boost overtime which generates more power....so like your love affair with power, i have one two.

Turbo>S/C
more power> power

Also, **twin charging!** http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...c296e45939.htm stupid music and corny vid, but its super-turbo-charged! thats hot!!

Turbo's are easier to launch, don't burn through tires as fast, and any 'lag' of the past is essentially eliminated.

CobaltSScrazy

[killbucket]

My personal vote for Supers.

Those are Cobalt SS emblems. Chevy can make an SS-model anything. Super Sport is a marketing tool, not a religion.

[mikmak]

Um, what?

Is that your truck or are you taking a stab at SS's in general

Welcome to GMI by the way.