Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

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    Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    By OLIVIA MUNOZ, Associated Press Writer Tue Aug 2, 3:52 PM ET

    DETROIT - At a time when thousands of Americans were standing in bread lines, the luxury automobile of the day, the Duesenberg, sold for more than $15,000. The car — miles ahead of the typical $500 family car of the day — weighed more than three tons and was bigger than a modern Suburban.

    But like many pre-World War II cars, Duesenbergs were made without one of the basic safety features mandatory on modern cars: seat belts.

    And that might have contributed to the deaths over the weekend of a mother, father and their 8-year-old son. Police say a 2001 Volvo ran a stop sign near Ann Arbor and struck their newly restored 1929 Duesenberg while they were out for a drive near their home.

    The family of five was thrown from the car, and the two other children were injured. The driver of the Volvo was not injured and could face charges.

    The Duesenberg, like many vintage cars, is nearly impossible to bring up to current crash safety standards. And many classic-car owners believe that trying to do so would spoil a vehicle's authenticity.

    Federal law holds cars only to the standards that were in effect at the time of the vehicle's manufacture. But many states have come up with their own regulations for classic cars, and often prohibit their use for routine transportation.

    "When you're driving to a show, the guy in the modern car thinks you can start, stop and maneuver just the same as he can. But if you have an open car and it flips over, you're in big trouble," said Chuck Conrad, president of the Des Plaines, Ill.-based Classic Car Club of America.

    Crashes — especially fatal ones — involving classic cars are rare because the owners are so cautious with them, said Matt Short, executive vice president of the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Museum in Auburn, Ind.

    Owners do most of their driving to and from classic-car shows, conventions and parades. The typical mileage for collector cars is usually less than 1,000 a year, according to McKeel Hagerty, chief executive of Hagerty Collector Car & Boat Insurance in Traverse City. His company is one of the biggest classic-car insurers in the country, with 300,000 clients.

    Hagerty said he cannot remember a fatal crash in a vintage car in the 22 years he has been in business. Only 0.2 percent of his customers in any given year file claims over collisions with other cars, he said.

    Seat belts were introduced on cars in the early 1960s. In 1968, the federal government made them mandatory. But there is no federal requirement to add them to cars that did not come with them.

    And with vehicles built before the 1930s, "you just can't retrofit many of these cars. They will never meet any modern crash test criteria for safety," said Eron Shosteck, spokesman for the Washington, D.C.-based Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.

    After all, Conrad said, "Bolting yourself down to a 70-year-old piece of wood isn't really going to stop anything."

    Most states, including Michigan, New York and California, let classic car owners register their vehicles with a "vintage" license, but with restrictions.

    In Virginia, a classic-car owner can obtain a standard registration that allows the vehicle to be used like any other model as long as it meets current safety standards for such things as brakes, headlights, turn signals, tires and seat belts. Or, the owner can obtain a vintage license that limits its use to car club events, parades and exhibits as well as occasional pleasure driving no more than 250 miles from home.

    In New York, cars registered as historic vehicles are prohibited from day-to-day use, such as commuting to work. In Maryland, registrants must attest that they will not transport people in the cars on highways. And in Alabama, classic car owners can be fined and stripped of their vintage-vehicle registrations for driving their classic cars other than for a show or a parade.

    Crash involving 1929 Duesenberg leaves 3 dead near Ann Arbor

    August 1, 2005, 1:32 AM

    SUPERIOR TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) -- A driver apparently ran a stop sign at an intersection near Ann Arbor and collided with a classic car carrying a family of five, killing two parents and a child, authorities say.

    The other two children in the 1929 Duesenberg convertible were injured in crash, which happened about 8:10 p.m. EDT Saturday in Superior Township, the Washtenaw County sheriff's office said in a statement Sunday.

    The driver of the Duesenberg recently had finished three years of work, along with father, restoring it for its owner, a Bloomfield Hills resident, the Detroit Free Press said. The car was worth an estimated $1.5 million.

    All five from the Superior Township family were thrown from the vehicle, which did not have seat belts. The two children who survived were taken to the C.S. Mott Children's Hospital at the University of Michigan.

    "The accident probably wouldn't have turned out like this (if they) wore seat belts," sheriff's Cmdr. David Egeler told The Detroit News.

    Dead at the scene of the crash were driver Bradley M. Patton, 35; his wife, Kristin Patton, 35; and their son, Nathan, 8, the sheriff's department said; injured were Emily, 7; and Taylor, 9.

    Emily and Taylor originally were listed in serious condition. Later Sunday, Emily was upgraded to fair condition and Taylor to good condition.

    A 2001 Volvo was turning southbound when it collided with the Duesenberg, which was headed eastbound. The Duesenberg rolled several times. Video of the crash scene showed the car resting upright, with debris strewn along the roadway.

    A 25-year-old Ann Arbor man who was driving the Volvo was unhurt in the crash. He was arrested and taken to the Washtenaw County jail, where he was released pending possible charges from prosecutors.

    Egeler said the man could face negligent homicide charges, but that determination would be made by the Washtenaw County prosecutor's office after the sheriff's department completes its investigation.


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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    I saw that on the news its too bad. That guy should of been paying attention and not doing a michigan stop.

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    I'm tired of jerks who speed and go through stop signs as if the laws are there to inconvenience them. I hope the Volvo driver does time..

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    This is just so incredibly tragic for so many reasons. First and foremost is the loss of life, with a child being among the victims. Then you have children who lost both parents. I was also going to mention something about the car, but I realized that that totally pales in comparison to the first two things I wrote.

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    Well yeah, on the grand scheme of things the car doesn't mean anything compared to the people in it... but in and of itself it's unfortunate to see such a classic car get destroyed. If the Duesenberg had been on a high-speed highway it'd be one thing, but since it was apparently on a slower road (with stop signs), it's even more frustrating. The family was just out for a nice Sunday drive. Very sad.
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    That is horrible....... Hopefully that dude in the Volvo will face manslaughter or murder charges.

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    There seems to be some bad fate connected with Duesenbergs. Even Duesenberg himself died in a crash in one of his cars.

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    I doubt seatbelts would have helped since the car rolled several times. How would being strapped in to a car as it rolls help. This is a car without rollover protection.
    Just a sad story and one which is completely preventable.

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    Talking of stop signs, I witnessed one of the strangest events. 2 Days ago, I went for a long walk about 8pm. As I was about 100 feet from a major street with stop lights, I noted a minivan stopped for the red. A patrol car was stopped to the van's left and another car to the far left waiting for the green arrow to turn left. Everything looked normal until the minivan just drove through the red. Of course, the patrol took 5 seconds then went after and pulled it over.
    The only thing that I could think happened was that the van's driver was on the phone or otherwise pre-occupied and somehow caught the green arrow in his peripheral vision. But, in retrospect, I didn't notice the green arrow when it happened.

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    I'm surpised the Duesy survived as well as it did. It looks like most of the damage was from when it rolled over, and not the impact (if there was one). Very tragic.

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    I retrofit seatbelts in the front and back of the Buick and in the front only of the Plymouth. I used '50s style Chevy belts for the Plymouth and they're color coordinated with chrome buckles. They fit the era, and the car is marginally safer. But I don't know how strong the floorboards or in '20s era cars. And the frames back then were still made out of wood.

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    Re: Crash Involving 1929 Duesenberg Claims 3 Lives

    It could not have just been the impact from the Volvo that flipped the car....the Duesenberg driver must have tried to avoid the accident and upset the car, I just dont see how a 3000lb Volvo can flip what it easily a 6000-7000lb car.


    I hope the Volvo driver gets the chair. One thing for sure, he is done, even if he is not sent up the river for murder/manslaughter....can you imagine the type of ballcrushing law suit the family of the Duesenberg owner is going to hit this guy with? Obviously they were well to do, they are going to eat him alive....he'll be lucky if he escapes with his life.

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    wow, that's sad. I guess we sort of take for granted how safe modern cars are
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    I hope they use this to inform the rest of the ignorant moron drivers who put their own lives ahead of the rest of the people on the road.

    The best punishment for the Volvo driver is a 20 year sentence, speaking to every group that will listen, about how he/she foolishly and selfishly ended three lives and forever changed countless more.

    If ever a person deserved to be called an A$$HOLE, this person is tops on the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCGARRETT View Post
    It could not have just been the impact from the Volvo that flipped the car....the Duesenberg driver must have tried to avoid the accident and upset the car, I just dont see how a 3000lb Volvo can flip what it easily a 6000-7000lb car.


    I hope the Volvo driver gets the chair. One thing for sure, he is done, even if he is not sent up the river for murder/manslaughter....can you imagine the type of ballcrushing law suit the family of the Duesenberg owner is going to hit this guy with? Obviously they were well to do, they are going to eat him alive....he'll be lucky if he escapes with his life.
    First off. Several things:

    1. I Appologize for disrupting this board as i am not a GM employee.
    2. I also appologize for bumping this rediculously old (2005) thread. Mods/admin obviously feel free to delete this. This is simply the first time I have had the balls to do this across the net.
    3. It was my Sister, Brother-in-law, and Nephew who were in the accident. (Nieces too who survived) So you know why I am posting.
    4. I also realize that this post comes in the wake of the huge crushing blow to the auto industry and that subsequently, some members who were active here before may no longer be around. My heart goes out to you and your families. The rest is written on the wall.

    Now, for those who don't know, the driver of the Volvo was simply placed on 3 years monitored probation and lost his license for (X?) years. He also had to pay some court costs and fines.....all for manslaughter in the ? degree. The guy lived with his mother and was a stock broker. I can't even remember exactly what his punishment was.

    The bottom line is, my brother in law was a decorated firefighter. The guy received a high award after entering a fully involved structure fire alone (before anyone else was ready) and saved a womans life. Its just the kinda guy he was. Work ethic was unbelievable with him.

    Anyway, thank you to everyone for the supportive and kind words. Even though I'm a little late for it.

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