Bob Lutz: "Media doesn't have much idea what Volt is all about."

[Neanderthal]

GM Marketing and MSM understanding...ANYTHING.

Now there's a marriage made in heaven.

[john1701a]

Originally Posted by plane

That dials in right at 360 mpg.
. . . is much closer to infinite gas mileage than it is to 230.

Good example of the source of confusion. It makes 230 seems even more arbitrary than before.

That's not a compelling argument for spending so much money and just not getting an EV with a greater range instead. Remember, many households have more than one vehicle anyway.
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[plane]

Originally Posted by john1701a

Good example of the source of confusion. It makes 230 seems even more arbitrary than before.

That's not a compelling argument for spending so much money and just not getting an EV with a greater range instead. Remember, many households have more than one vehicle anyway.
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pfft. Jealousy does not become you.
GM internal testing using Proposed EPA test format = 230.
Hope that clears everything up.
May the best car win.

John, if you haven't noticed, the earth is melting.
There is enough ice left at the North Pole for about 3 good Pina Colatas.
That's it. Thow a couple back and we're done buddy.

With the fate of the planet in our hands, you're asking us to drive old-fashioned smoke-belching, highly inefficient gas-hog hybrids when we can have a Volt?
<face-palm><smack>

John, it's becoming more and more evident.
You're clearly an environmental terrorist.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Now, I'm to understand that this complicated Volt mess is somehow easier than spending time, research, and dang money to make a big motor (say a 5.7) as fuel-effiecient as can be?

Dang stupid-ass GM.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by john1701a

Good question. Show us the simple explanation.

Ok, no problem.

The buyers that are interested enough to buy the Volt will accomplish somewhere between four times to infinitely more mpg than if they had a Prius - or a plug in Prius.

Go ahead, be conservative and just say the Volt will only be four times as impressive.

Many wonder how that estimate translates to real-world conditions, where speed & temperature have a big influence.
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Yes, I'm sure that's especially true within the Prius community and notably so in regards to any one who has a 2010 or foolishly paid sticker or sticker plus for a 2008 or 2009.

[hrcslam]

Originally Posted by ronald mcretard

What exactly is your problem with California? Do you know where this country would be without the contributions of Californians?

Better off? California and Texas is full of a lot of citizens that think their state is flawless. Annoying. Hawaii is rapidly catching up. Also note, Cali and Texas recived the MOST (by billions) amount of bail out funds.

Originally Posted by CBECK

What, we wouldn't have bridge loans to you guys after going bankrupt how many times. Cali is a business not a state.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by ronald mcretard

no, not really. the Prius will get better mileage than the Volt AFTER the Volt's battery pack has been depleted. it is more efficient to run the wheels directly from the engine rather than through an electric motor.

the Volt's advantage is that for the first 40 miles it uses no gasoline. after that it will get good fuel economy, but not as good as Prius.

Wrong! The best discription is this...

City mileage sucks compared to highway mileage because even though you are at a higher speed on the highway it is constant. It takes more energy to accelorate mass than it does to maintain mass speed.

An ICE powered generator can maintain a steady RPM (more efficient than a widly variable RPM) and create the electricity the vehicle needs when it is most efficient. The reason a VOLT varies (slightly) in RPM is because it would be stupid to push 90kW out when you require on 10kW. But it would also be stupid to push 10kW when you need 90kW.

Originally Posted by john1701a

Good question. Show us the simple explanation.

Many wonder how that estimate translates to real-world conditions, where speed & temperature have a big influence.
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This has been explained to you to many times to count. I have done the equations for MPG, eMPG, and e85 MPG for the VOLT and Pruis a few times on GMI and here you are still asking about it. BTW, if you forgot, the VOLT beat the Prius everytime.

Originally Posted by plane

Sure. Be happy to John.
First, we're going to take the kayak off the top of the Volt.
It's not cool and it really defeats the sleek Volt aerodynamics.
You still with us?

Ok, now I drive 45 miles back and forth to work each and every day.
And just for the sake of argument, I've been getting 40 mpg when running on gasoline in my new Volt.

So, in 1 week, I've driven 225 miles and used a little over 6/10 of a gallon of gas.
That dials in right at 360 mpg.
See how easy that is?


Except that I made all that up.
I only drive 24 miles back and forth to work each day.
Oops.
24 miles each day is much closer to infinite gas mileage than it is to 230.
See how easy that is?

Thank you. I am getting really tired of doing the math for this troll.

[john1701a]

Originally Posted by hrcslam

This has been explained to you to many times to count.

Please provide the link.

I've been waiting for a sales pitch, showing why that killer MPG is a great buy.

This is the very same thing people have been asking for when it comes to the plug-in upgrade for existing hybrids. They want to see an explanation why spending all that $$$ is worth it.
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[john1701a]

Originally Posted by plane

GM internal testing using Proposed EPA test format = 230.
Hope that clears everything up.

No, that's just the CITY estimate. What's the HIGHWAY estimate?

As for calling some a "terrorist", that's not the slightest bit appropriate... especially when overall production is disregarded. Remember 5:1 sales?
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[All-Or-Nothing]

How about a link of GM's official description of how the Volt works.

[Driver Tom]

Like any E-REV...

[cigmaduse]

This is the very same thing people have been asking for when it comes to the plug-in upgrade for existing hybrids. They want to see an explanation why spending all that $$$ is worth it.