Lutz: GM Raising Incentives For August - T900 Pickups Will Get Boost

[ChrisNJ]

Originally Posted by skylark68

I hear you loud and clear... I won't be happy until I can get a 6.2 and the 6 speed in a regular cab short bed... But I think Matamoros, Mexico will have 6 inches of snow in August before that happens.

I think the 4 speed is fine for me, but if the 6 is available why not offer it in all configurations? Why make 2 different transmissions for the same truck? Maybe GM has a huge warehouse full of 4 speeds lying around.

It is simple: manufacturing capability and marketing. Even if they could make enough 6.2's or 6sp (which they currently can not) to supply the standard silverado's and sierra's, marketing wouldn't let them untill they had something better for the caddy's and denali's.

[gardnet1]

Originally Posted by Psionic Wibbly

So is GM once again being forced by Toyota, to fight in a battleground and with weapons that are not of its own choosing or liking? and at a timing that is most unfavorable to its turnaround efforts?

Look on the bright side, for years toyoduh has escaped the incentive wars, now they irresponsibly dive in head first by offering 5 grand on the tundra. This will totally screw up their profit model. I would even bet that they were making much more money on their previous generation tundra.

So if they want to buy market share it comes with a cost in resale, residuals, perceptions, etc. They have just shot themselves in the foot.

[likearock00]

$3500 off the crew, $3000 off the ext, and I think $5000 off the classic here in SE right now. Is this what Lutz was saying, or can we expect more?

[armycam68]

For the Colorado Fans.........it's a marginal truck! It is over-priced for what you get! It is packaged in a way that forces you to spend nearly the cost of a full-size truck if you want similar options. I bought my 2004 because I didn't want a Toyota, Nissan, or a Mopar. Ford Rangers are just too small. I thought I would give GM/Chevy the benefit of the doubt since I am a loyal Bowtie guy.
BTW.........I really think the GM guys are going to put out some large rebates soon.........GM Buy Power has 08 rebates listed. On some models there's only a $500 difference between model years. I'll wait!

[ChrisNJ]

Originally Posted by gardnet1

Look on the bright side, for years toyoduh has escaped the incentive wars, now they irresponsibly dive in head first by offering 5 grand on the tundra. This will totally screw up their profit model. I would even bet that they were making much more money on their previous generation tundra.

So if they want to buy market share it comes with a cost in resale, residuals, perceptions, etc. They have just shot themselves in the foot.

No offense to your opinion, here's mine: If I were toyota and my agenda was to make a statement for long term market share and hence profit, i would give them away too. A newcomer almost always has to. If they kept the numbers equal to gm, the gm customers would just stay gm. Give the gm guy a money incentive to swicth and some will do it.
In my own business, I and most in my boat do the same thing. I have a great product, equal or better than the top selling brand. I have to give them away to change the paradigm. Once my customers get my product, they all say the same thing, wow! I believe toyota is just doing the same thing. It's just business 101.
GM has already said that toyota's small numbers are not a threat. Toyota is trying to change the small numbers, and it appears they are doing just that. GM will only counter when they believe Toyota is hurting them. Timing and momentum is very important. But make no mistake, product is what drives this to even be an issue.

[obriend]

Originally Posted by BTrzebiato

I currently drive a 2006 Chevy Silverado 1500CC Z71. For the most part I like it. I like the looks of the new GMC, but not so much of the Chevy. Toyota has a six speed transmission on their big V8 and GM only has this in the Denali and the HD's. I prefer the Tundra at present, but if GM did a few more things such as the 6 speed to help with performance/fuel economy as well as maybe be the first to market with a diesel in a half ton pickup that would be cool as well.

If you're interested in fuel economy, then why consider the Toyota which gets WORSE fuel economy (even with the six-speed) than the GMC with the lowly four-speed?

I do agree that GM needs to get the six-speeds across the board ASAP, but only to give them a bigger economy advantage over Toyota (and so people will stop falling for the idiot Toyota salesman that says "well, we've got a six-speed so it HAS to have better fuel economy than a Chevy with a four-speed).

[TOMHONE]

gardnet1 says Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot. Excuse me but I can't STOP laughing at that one. GM LOST $11B last year, Toyota MADE $12B. Toyota is killing GM. Pure and simple. GM deserves to lose. They're an arrogant, INEPT American corporation.

[TOMHONE]

GM said it will purchase $250M in auto supplies form India. What's next? A $5B contract? What's with this made in USA BS?
GM is selling out their workers as fast as they can. They are exporting jobs and importing everything from parts to assembled vehicles.
GM then has the balls to advertise on TV singing "THIS IS MY COUNTRY!!" and "an American revolution" and tries to make believe they sell "American".....What a bunch of BS.

Other than the Aveo, and Saab, tell us which vehicles that GM sells in North America that are not assembled in North America:

Canada:
Impala
Monte Carlo
Torrent
Silverado
Sierra
Century
Regal
Camaro starting in 2009
Transmissions

Mexico:
Rendezvous
Cavalier
Aztek
Sunfire
Avalanche
Suburban
Yukon XL
Escalade

Thailand:
Colorado

Argentina:
Grand Vitara

The subject here is General Motors and their exporting jobs and importing parts and assembled vehicles and then trying to deceive the American public with their claims of being "American" and everyone that doesn't buy a Detroit vehicle is unpatriotic BS.

[dratnol]

Originally Posted by TOMHONE

GM said it will purchase $250M in auto supplies form India. What's next? A $5B contract? What's with this made in USA BS?
GM is selling out their workers as fast as they can. They are exporting jobs and importing everything from parts to assembled vehicles.
GM then has the balls to advertise on TV singing "THIS IS MY COUNTRY!!" and "an American revolution" and tries to make believe they sell "American".....What a bunch of BS.

Other than the Aveo, and Saab, tell us which vehicles that GM sells in North America that are not assembled in North America:

Canada:
Impala
Monte Carlo
Torrent
Silverado
Sierra
Century
Regal
Camaro starting in 2009
Transmissions

Mexico:
Rendezvous
Cavalier
Aztek
Sunfire
Avalanche
Suburban
Yukon XL
Escalade

Thailand:
Colorado

Argentina:
Grand Vitara

The subject here is General Motors and their exporting jobs and importing parts and assembled vehicles and then trying to deceive the American public with their claims of being "American" and everyone that doesn't buy a Detroit vehicle is unpatriotic BS.

You are an idoit.

The Aztec, Rendzvous, Cavalier, Sunfire, Century, Regal, and Monte Carlo are done and over with. Nice way to pad your list by adding models that aren't even made.

When I look at that list I see a ton of models that aren't listed, must be because they are made in the USA.

[dratnol]

Originally Posted by TOMHONE

gardnet1 says Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot. Excuse me but I can't STOP laughing at that one. GM LOST $11B last year, Toyota MADE $12B. Toyota is killing GM. Pure and simple. GM deserves to lose. They're an arrogant, INEPT American corporation.

Looks more like you are describing yourself then GM. It is very nice of you to post facts to support your well thought out post.

[obriend]

Originally Posted by TOMHONE

GM said it will purchase $250M in auto supplies form India. What's next? A $5B contract? What's with this made in USA BS?
GM is selling out their workers as fast as they can. They are exporting jobs and importing everything from parts to assembled vehicles.
GM then has the balls to advertise on TV singing "THIS IS MY COUNTRY!!" and "an American revolution" and tries to make believe they sell "American".....What a bunch of BS.

Other than the Aveo, and Saab, tell us which vehicles that GM sells in North America that are not assembled in North America:

Canada:
Impala
Monte Carlo
Torrent
Silverado
Sierra
Century
Regal
Camaro starting in 2009
Transmissions

Mexico:
Rendezvous
Cavalier
Aztek
Sunfire
Avalanche
Suburban
Yukon XL
Escalade

Thailand:
Colorado

Argentina:
Grand Vitara

The subject here is General Motors and their exporting jobs and importing parts and assembled vehicles and then trying to deceive the American public with their claims of being "American" and everyone that doesn't buy a Detroit vehicle is unpatriotic BS.

Better take your blood pressure meds.....

Can you link the article stating that GM will IMPORT parts from India to the US, or are they simply buying parts from India for use in plants in India/China/SE Asia. There is a difference. I have no problem with GM buying parts there for local/regional consumption (like Honda and Toyota buying parts that are built here). If they are importing parts into this country, I have to agree with you.

Your list is a little misleading. You should separate out which cars are actually imported here (I don't believe GM imports the Colorado from Thailand or the Grand Vitara from Argentina - they may build them there for local/international sale), which ones aren't built anymore (at least for sale here - Rendezvous/Aztec/Cavalier) and which vehicles are made in more than one place (GMT-900s). Also, you forgot the VUE, HHR.

You are correct that if GM keeps exporting jobs, then their influence on our economy will lessen. But, do you believe Toyota when they say they employ 360,000 Americans, like their ads clearly suggest (when the number is more like 35,000)?

GM is still an integral part of this country's economy, whether you like it or not, far more so than Toyota. I'm not in the automobile industry (or related field), but GM's health indirectly affects my income and directly affects my community's.

[skylark68]

Originally Posted by TOMHONE

GM said it will purchase $250M in auto supplies form India. What's next? A $5B contract? What's with this made in USA BS?
GM is selling out their workers as fast as they can. They are exporting jobs and importing everything from parts to assembled vehicles.
GM then has the balls to advertise on TV singing "THIS IS MY COUNTRY!!" and "an American revolution" and tries to make believe they sell "American".....What a bunch of BS.

Other than the Aveo, and Saab, tell us which vehicles that GM sells in North America that are not assembled in North America:

Canada:
Impala
Monte Carlo
Torrent
Silverado
Sierra
Century
Regal
Camaro starting in 2009
Transmissions

Mexico:
Rendezvous
Cavalier
Aztek
Sunfire
Avalanche
Suburban
Yukon XL
Escalade

Thailand:
Colorado

Argentina:
Grand Vitara

The subject here is General Motors and their exporting jobs and importing parts and assembled vehicles and then trying to deceive the American public with their claims of being "American" and everyone that doesn't buy a Detroit vehicle is unpatriotic BS.

Last time I checked, Mexico and Canada were both in NORTH AMERICA... When you are trying to make a point regarding geography, at least try to do a little research first...

[joemac]

Originally Posted by obriend

You are correct that if GM keeps exporting jobs, then their influence on our economy will lessen. But, do you believe Toyota when they say they employ 360,000 Americans, like their ads clearly suggest (when the number is more like 35,000)?

GM is still an integral part of this country's economy, whether you like it or not, far more so than Toyota. I'm not in the automobile industry (or related field), but GM's health indirectly affects my income and directly affects my community's.

Is Toyota stating the number is 360k now? Earlier this year in a printed add in the USA Today the number was 240k direct and INDIRECT employment. Actual employment was 36k.

When you compare this number to the domestic companies footprint it pales in comparison. Near 7 million Americans direct and indirect have their jobs today because of the domestic auto industry.

[likearock00]

Originally Posted by TOMHONE

]The subject here is General Motors and their exporting jobs and importing parts and assembled vehicles and then trying to deceive the American public with their claims of being "American" and everyone that doesn't buy a Detroit vehicle is unpatriotic BS.

Sorry buddy, but the subject here is that GM will be adding additional incentives on the new pickups. Let's not get off topic!

[TahoeMikeZ71]

Originally Posted by TOMHONE/ARTSBEST

Mexico:
Rendezvous
Cavalier
Aztek
Sunfire
Avalanche
Suburban
Yukon XL
Escalade

The Escalade is made in Arlington, Texas and the Suburban/Yukon XL are made in Janesville, Wisconsin.