Jalopnik: GM Killing Hummer H2 After 2011

[CADILLACSIXTEEN]

I am convinced GM tries to only let Hummer have 2 models for any significant amount of time.

First, H1 & H2, then H2 & H3, now H3 & H3T.

[chakis24]

Originally Posted by sigma

Say a Suburban is replaced by an H2 and the driving patterns remain the same. Your usage of gasoline would increase between 2-4 times. That means your consumption of the portion of the barrel that is refined into gasoline has also increased by 2-4 times requiring that much more oil. (Note: Only a portion of each barrel of oil can be turned into gasoline. The oil is essentially cooked and it's separated into its different parts such as diesel, heating oil, jet fuel, gasoline, asphalt etc. and that in a nutshell is the refining process).

Higher gas taxes would discourage consumption and would encourage the purchasing of lighter more fuel efficient vehicles. It should also be noted that the heavier a vehicle, the more wear and tear it does to the roads it travels on increasing the need for road maintenance. It should also be noted that it generates significantly more emissions per mile traveled (than a comparably more efficient vehicle) increasing air pollution leading to public health risks such as asthma and cancer.

So its a national security issue, a public health issue, and a national infrastructure issue.

alternative fuels answers all your arguments. how about switching fuels? this way we solve all those problems, along with others. tax is not the answer. there are people who actually need h2 type vehicles. and for those who dont, its their right to choose.

national infrastructure? thats a huge stretch. so i guess those huge tractor trailer trucks dont exist? an h2 is nothing considering roads are designed to handle much much heavier loads.

[Caddyzts]

All the people who hate hummers because of the enviroment needs to get a mind for their selfs. They don't care about the enviromet they are just joining a movement to fit in. the same people who complains about gas guzzlers are the same who use their gas lawn mowers. The same who keep their air conditioner up high wasting electric. Will these so-called enviromentalist give me a break. The hummers weren't any worse than these high performance cars and yet no one complains about Lamboginis and Ferraris.

[gto4ibf]

Originally Posted by GMusa

there are a lot of unneeded vehicles out there...

Yeah just look at the Honda Ridgeline

[eb110americana]

2003-2014, that's a nice healthy 11 year lifespan (with only minor updates). I would like to see a flagship Hummer H1/H2 vehicle remain for NICHE offroad use with only a diesel or possibly a 2 mode hybrid available.

If GM developed the next gen HD pickup platform to function as the only body-on-frame chassis in GM's stable and used it only in the HD pickups and the Hummer H1/H2, I think it could survive. It would have to get over 20mpg hwy though, no matter what.

For the large SUV and light 1500 pickups, GM should use a RWD/4WD unibody platform with fully independent suspension designed exclusively for truck duties, but much lighter than the above platform. For towing purposes, they could bolt a set of hydroformed frame rails directly to the underside of the chassis, and use a simpler version on SUVs that don't have the towing setup. I see no reason why this could not tow and haul as much as today's light duty, body-on-frame trucks if designed well. (The Ridgeline is not a good example of this, as it is based on the Accord platform: Accord > Odyssey > MDX/Pilot > Ridgeline.)

If the truck body actually looked like a truck, it should sell just fine, ride better, have lots more bed space, better ground clearance (remember, the H1 had fully independent suspension), and get better mileage. The SUV would be just as much of an improvement (seats that actually fold under the floor, car-like ride, easy step-in), but with an existing Lambda and 35mpg CAFE looming, this part would be less critical. Perhaps the next generation of Lambda could be folded into this and FWD would be a configuration (though if that should replace RWD, I do not know--at least 4WD/AWD would be optional no matter what). Alternately, I suppose an H2 could be built off this platform instead.

Even with all of today's advances, I do not know how these types of vehicles can continue to be sold if 35mpg is the benchmark fleet average. Though conversely, I really don't see middle America going to compact pickups.

[escaladelover]

Originally Posted by Caddyzts

All the people who hate hummers because of the enviroment needs to get a mind for their selfs. They don't care about the enviromet they are just joining a movement to fit in. the same people who complains about gas guzzlers are the same who use their gas lawn mowers. The same who keep their air conditioner up high wasting electric. Will these so-called enviromentalist give me a break. The hummers weren't any worse than these high performance cars and yet no one complains about Lamboginis and Ferraris.

You speak the truth here.

[NoNameDenton]

Once more, news that the H2's death might be exaggerated

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6232210/...die/index.html

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by GMfan1111

Paris Hilton is a excellent example of this. She had a impulse to be more environmentally friendly a few months back and got a Yukon Hybrid to achieve this goal and still have enough room for the thousands of dollars in crap she buys every time she steps inside any form of a store or Bar. However Paris's Fickle personality came through and within a month she was back to her fuel guzzling Bentley. I really dislike people who publicly say they are against the hummer yet drool over a supercar that gets even worse mileage than many SUVs

I heard a radio interview with her a month ago, and she said that the Yukon Hybrid hadn't arrived yet.

But I think using celebrities to make arguments is a distraction. Al Gore speaks about the environment but owns a mansion and flies all over the place. He's a hypocrite - but that has nothing to do with the fact that air pollution is linked to asthma and emphysema.

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by Caddyzts

The hummers weren't any worse than these high performance cars and yet no one complains about Lamboginis and Ferraris.

Most people don't commute in their 10 mpg super sports cars.

I can't speak for other environmental supporters, but if you own an H2 but only use it to off-road on weekends, that's fine with me. Or even if you commute in it, but your commute is short, that's fine too.

If you own a Suburban and use it to carry your family and haul a camper around, that's fine with me too.

If you drive a GMC Topkick truck as part of your job, that's also fine.

If you only drive a pickup because you like a pickup, and you put 30,000 miles per year on a Silverado HD with the 8.1 big block... then I think maybe you're being wasteful.

[Slideways]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

[x] $4.00 per gallon gas?
[x] declining volumes?
[ ] High production costs?
[ ] low margins?
[x] bad image?
[ ] all of the above

I changed your quote.

Does anyone here honestly think that 12,000 H2 drivers are having a measurable impact on our nation's fuel consumption?

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by Slideways

I changed your quote.

Does anyone here honestly think that 12,000 H2 drivers are having a measurable impact on our nation's fuel consumption?

Not really, they are have a very small percentage

[EldoFan]

Originally Posted by Buick61

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Bottom line: Its sales have tanked, despite a refresh and a new engine and better MPG.

It has run its course. Blame the government, blame the environmentalists, blame everybody; the truth is it's just an unpopular vehicle built on an aging platform with no room for growth in today's market place.


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Amen to that

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by EldoFan

Amen to that

As I have said, the death of the H2 is exaggerated, it will stay on, though I believe the platform will be updated and it will change in nature

[DRTY]

Originally Posted by Slideways

I'm not a big fan of H2s, the few I've driven were beat up pretty badly, but it's ridiculous how much ignorance and hate there is for the thing. Just look at some of the post on the site.

Agreed. And on a GM news site no less. The haters are about a 1/2 a chromosome away from directing that ignorant hate towards another race.

[DRTY]

Originally Posted by NoNameDenton

As I have said, the death of the H2 is exaggerated, it will stay on, though I believe the platform will be updated and it will change in nature

Yep. The CURRENT H2 will be phased out at the next refresh - 2010 or there abouts. The new diesel WILL make it's way into the "H2".