Hummer tries to get the H3 stuck!

[VMax2007]

Originally Posted by titanguy

....It seems that they only care about gas mileage. I don't need anything radical but more than 10 inches of clearance with some halfway decent approach/departure angles would bring me back. Does anyone know if GM will ever build an off road based pickup again?

Ever hear of C.A.F.E??? They target the 90% of the 1/2 ton market that rarely goes offroading. Trucks typically aren't great offroading vehicles anyway. They make Jeeps for that.

[Gm786]

Originally Posted by VMax2007

Ever hear of C.A.F.E??? They target the 90% of the 1/2 ton market that rarely goes offroading. Trucks typically aren't great offroading vehicles anyway. They make Jeeps for that.

And Hummers.

[DuraMax Hammer]

Originally Posted by AndrewGS

Another reason I'd love an H3 Adventure leveled with 35"s and undercarriage protection.

Man, that would be a sweet ride! I'll bet that would be tough to stop off road.

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Originally Posted by Gm786

And you just noticed that. It's obvious. It's made by the one and only Chrysler. The automaker famous for putting cheap plastic kingdom interiors in their cars and trucks. By the way, Mercedes is not included. The Hummer H3/Alpha beats any Jeep exterior, interior and overall design hands down. The same goes for off-roading in my opinion.

Again, You can't hose out the interior of a Hummer, Fold down its windsheild, take off the roof/doors, have the biggest aftermarket parts availbility and Solid axles.

A Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is cheaper than a H3, and can outwheel it any day.

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Originally Posted by LAPTOP GAMER

the lack of a solid feel when you close the door

The roof was off right?

When its off, the doors feel funny to close.

[Gm786]

Originally Posted by FordRules

Again, You can't hose out the interior of a Hummer, Fold down its windsheild, take off the roof/doors, have the biggest aftermarket parts availbility and Solid axles.

A Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is cheaper than a H3, and can outwheel it any day.

Nah, see that's what you say. The Hummer H3 is superior to anyother Jeep whether it's a wrangler Rubicon or not in my opinion. Hummer is better overall.

[Hummer Guy]

Originally Posted by FordRules

Again, You can't hose out the interior of a Hummer, Fold down its windsheild, take off the roof/doors, have the biggest aftermarket parts availbility and Solid axles.

A Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is cheaper than a H3, and can outwheel it any day.

Jeeps have been around 15 times longer than the H3 -- that explains the parts availability, which I'd say is pretty impressive for the H3 in its 3 years of being available.

Also, it depends what kind of wheeling you do. I think anyone who claims, including Hummer fans, that one vehicle wins hands down, is a bit misinformed. Both are great off-road and both have certain abilities that outperform the other. There's a reason why the Jeep was used by the US Military...and US Postal Service . There's also a reason why the Humvee was chosen to take over, and the H3 shares numerous traits with the Humvee like incline/sideslope maximum capabilities. Can we both agree that the sideslope capability of these two vehicles is more impressive than the narrower and taller Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that comes with a sticker that says "Higher Rollover Risk"? At the same time I'll agree that the Jeep has a better break-over angle, and is less prone to high-centering on narrow hilltops. Again, each vehicle has their strengths - there is no 'hands down winner.'

Keep in mind that the H3 is meant to be a daily driver with great off-road capabilities - the Wranglers are not nearly as friendly as a daily driver, since, after all, many of their parts like the doors and roof aren't very solid on account of their being removable.

The H3 isn't meant to compete with the wrangler, it's meant to compete with higher volume vehicles like Grand Cherokee/Commander/LR3/Etc. Hummer has yet to put out their competition to the Wrangler - just wait.

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Originally Posted by Hummer Guy

Jeeps have been around 15 times longer than the H3 -- that explains the parts availability, which I'd say is pretty impressive for the H3 in its 3 years of being available.

Also, it depends what kind of wheeling you do. I think anyone who claims, including Hummer fans, that one vehicle wins hands down, is a bit misinformed. Both are great off-road and both have certain abilities that outperform the other. There's a reason why the Jeep was used by the US Military...and US Postal Service . There's also a reason why the Humvee was chosen to take over, and the H3 shares numerous traits with the Humvee like incline/sideslope maximum capabilities. Can we both agree that the sideslope capability of these two vehicles is more impressive than the narrower and taller Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that comes with a sticker that says "Higher Rollover Risk"? At the same time I'll agree that the Jeep has a better break-over angle, and is less prone to high-centering on narrow hilltops. Again, each vehicle has their strengths - there is no 'hands down winner.'

Keep in mind that the H3 is meant to be a daily driver with great off-road capabilities - the Wranglers are not nearly as friendly as a daily driver, since, after all, many of their parts like the doors and roof aren't very solid on account of their being removable.

The H3 isn't meant to compete with the wrangler, it's meant to compete with higher volume vehicles like Grand Cherokee/Commander/LR3/Etc. Hummer has yet to put out their competition to the Wrangler - just wait.

You havent been in a new 2007 Jk Wrangler then, Its been out a year less than the H3. Even the Military is starting to use em for military purposes.




Look:
http://gallery.mac.com/dale.gregory#100059

[LAPTOP GAMER]

Originally Posted by titanguy

I wouldn't quite say game over for Jeep as they still have a solid front axle on the Wrangler at least. They have really ruined the Grand Cherokee and Liberty(old cherokee) by going IFS with less ground clearance. This is where the H3 shines, it has IFS but very high clearance. I would like to see a ramp test done on a Rubicon Jeep against an H3. If I am not mistaken the H3 has approach/departure angles that are at least what the Rubicon's are. I need to look that up.
My question is why does a huge company like GM only have two off road capable vehicles?(H2, H3) They build the pickup trucks lower and lower every year. Does GM even bother to test their "Z-71" trucks off road anymore? It seems like they are totally unconcerned with us truck guys who still take our trucks off pavement. I traded my Sierra for a Nissan Titan because of this reason. It seems that they only care about gas mileage. I don't need anything radical but more than 10 inches of clearance with some halfway decent approach/departure angles would bring me back. Does anyone know if GM will ever build an off road based pickup again?

An after market lift kit will fix that nasty clearance problem.

[LAPTOP GAMER]

Originally Posted by FordRules

The roof was off right?

When its off, the doors feel funny to close.

No the roof was on and the whole thing felt cheap.

[AndrewGS]

Originally Posted by FordRules

You havent been in a new 2007 Jk Wrangler then, Its been out a year less than the H3. Even the Military is starting to use em for military purposes.

The JK Wrangler isn't the end-all, be-all off-road machine, just like the H3 isn't the end-all, be-all off-road machine. The H3 gives you similar capabilities to that of the JK but with a more upscale, rommier interior like the Cherokee. The JK beats the H3 in the open-air department. Hummer guys don't dismiss the Wrangler and Jeep guys shouldn't dismiss the H3, both are very capable off-road.

The JK isn't going into military duty, the J8 is, and not on the "front lines" like the HMMWV, it is going to be a support vehicle that is highly modified from the JK consumer version and available only to Armed Forces.

[Slideways]

Originally Posted by Monaro

That video looks cool but its only silt- it looks more impressive than it is, its a bit like plowing thru feathers on a road.

I don't know, silt is nasty and it bogs you down. It's dry, but it's also slippery. That's sort of weird. I've played in in before and it's definitely something to get used to. I never quite did.

[Hummer Guy]

Originally Posted by FordRules

You havent been in a new 2007 Jk Wrangler then, Its been out a year less than the H3. Even the Military is starting to use em for military purposes.

I have been in many - it was one of the hottest cars at the 06 SEMA show for people to show off their products (much like the H3 the year before). I still wasn't as impressed with the overall feel, fit, and finish of the interior as compared to a Hummer H3 (Which won interior of the year 2 years ago).

The Military is using the HUMVEE less because of their inability to repel bombs and mines on daily runs - I'm not sure we'll see the JK as a replacement. That's why were seeing more vehicles proposed that look like small tanks on wheels. JKs are certainly more affordable than a HUMVEE and away from the danger areas or areas needing extreme capabilities -- I'm sure the JK could be used as transportation instead of the HUMVEE.

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Originally Posted by AndrewGS

The JK Wrangler isn't the end-all, be-all off-road machine, just like the H3 isn't the end-all, be-all off-road machine. The H3 gives you similar capabilities to that of the JK but with a more upscale, rommier interior like the Cherokee. The JK beats the H3 in the open-air department. Hummer guys don't dismiss the Wrangler and Jeep guys shouldn't dismiss the H3, both are very capable off-road.

The JK isn't going into military duty, the J8 is, and not on the "front lines" like the HMMWV, it is going to be a support vehicle that is highly modified from the JK consumer version and available only to Armed Forces.

The J8 has more in common with the JK than the H3 and HMMWV does, which is nothing. And again, Jeep People can care less about interior fit and finish, because if there is nice interior crap, its harder to clean off mud and stuff.

Look what this guy does for thanksgiving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmLK8XHqW8o

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The nay sayers lose again. The H3 is a hit!