A Chevrolet Pickup More Advanced Than Lexus' Top Sedan?

[plane]

Originally Posted by eurohazard

Is the Vue 2 mode for sale yet? Is the Plug-in Vue for sale yet? Why do you claim they are in showrooms?

Are you claiming that two-mode hybrid vehicles are not for sale at this time?

Are you claiming that GM has not publicly announced the scheduled introduction of the Vue Two-Mode Hybrid?

Are you claiming that GM has not publicly announced the development of the Vue Two-Mode Plug-in Hybrid?

Are you agreeing that GM is unable to fit a two-mode hybrid powertrain in a smaller vehicle such as the Saturn Vue?

Choose your words carefully Persian.


http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...ook/index.html

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...odehybrid.html

http://greenfuelsforecast.com/Articl...?articleID=550

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=129829

[eurohazard]

Originally Posted by plane

Are you claiming that two-mode hybrid vehicles are not for sale at this time?

Of course not, I can go buy a $52,000 Chevy Tahoe hybrid right now, or a $70,000 Escalade hybrid soon. I know they are available....but not yet in the Vue.

Originally Posted by plane

Are you claiming that GM has not publicly announced the scheduled introduction of the Vue Two-Mode Hybrid?

Uh, no. Never said that.

Originally Posted by plane

Are you claiming that GM has not publicly announced the development of the Vue Two-Mode Plug-in Hybrid?

Uh, no. Never said that.

Originally Posted by plane

Are you agreeing that GM is unable to fit a two-mode hybrid powertrain in a smaller vehicle such as the Saturn Vue?

Never said that either. But since it's not out yet......I can't wait to see what kind of mpg figures it can produce.

[Joe in T.O.]

I have thought about this comparison about 1 1/2 years ago while watching the owner back up their Lexus RX330 into a concrete curb causing the exhaust system to fall off. I chuckled as I sat waiting for this guy to move out of the way and thought to myself: if he had been driving my Avalanche LTZ, that wouldn't have happened. Back up cameras are great. Then I thought about my trucks other benefits: Navigation, rear seat DVD entertainment system, tri-zone heating/air conditioning system, power running boards... there is no way I would trade the Avalanche for a Lexus!

[member12]

Let's be fair. The Lexus is fast and it's a great car all around.

But the Silverado can tow over 3 tons and will roll over bigger snow banks than the Lexus.

My choice: A 4.5L Turbodiesel Silverado. Sorry, hybrids are not for me.

[eurohazard]

Originally Posted by Joe in T.O.

I have thought about this comparison about 1 1/2 years ago while watching the owner back up their Lexus RX330 into a concrete curb causing the exhaust system to fall off. I chuckled as I sat waiting for this guy to move out of the way and thought to myself: if he had been driving my Avalanche LTZ, that wouldn't have happened. Back up cameras are great. Then I thought about my trucks other benefits: Navigation, rear seat DVD entertainment system, tri-zone heating/air conditioning system, power running boards... there is no way I would trade the Avalanche for a Lexus!

Is this a real post? It's entirely possible that the guy's Lexus had a camera (it's an option you know)...but it doesn't activate the brakes to prevent an impact. People still have to "drive" their cars, and that person sounds like a terrible driver. Yeah, my 2004 Acura MDX had NAV, DVD, heated seats and an awful lot of goodies that spoiled us....now I have that stuff and more in my Armada. I am with you though...the rear camera is the BOMB, especially if you tow anything. There is no reversing, getting out, checking it out, getting back in, re-reversing, getting out, assessing etc.

[Desert Rat]

I find the comments in here running down Lexus kinda laughable.

Granted the LS600h, for the price, doesn't make sense, but they did it to improve performance, while maintaining fuel economy. It was not built to improve the MPG, nor has it been advertised to. It is strictly there for a performance standpoint. When you look at the performance and MPG, look at the weight of the vehicle and the fact that it is AWD.

I have never owned a vehicle outside of the big 3, so I am not an import lover by any means... (2 GM, 2 Mopar and 1 Ford)... Just a vehicle enthusiast.

From Road & Track

"As Bob Carter, Lexus Group V.P. and General Manager, stated, this car is “the truest expression of luxury and efficiency of any vehicle we have created. Equally important, the LS hybrid stands as the icon for the Lexus brand.” Carter went on to say that the 600h L's combination of all-wheel drive and the 8-speed automatic CVT transmission with the V-8 engine and electric motor “results in power and performance on par with modern 12-cylinder engines.”"

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=5266

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by Desert Rat

I find the comments in here running down Lexus kinda laughable.

Granted the LS600h, for the price, doesn't make sense, but they did it to improve performance, while maintaining fuel economy. It was not built to improve the MPG, nor has it been advertised to. It is strictly there for a performance standpoint. When you look at the performance and MPG, look at the weight of the vehicle and the fact that it is AWD.

I have never owned a vehicle outside of the big 3, so I am not an import lover by any means... (2 GM, 2 Mopar and 1 Ford)... Just a vehicle enthusiast.

From Road & Track

"As Bob Carter, Lexus Group V.P. and General Manager, stated, this car is “the truest expression of luxury and efficiency of any vehicle we have created. Equally important, the LS hybrid stands as the icon for the Lexus brand.” Carter went on to say that the 600h L's combination of all-wheel drive and the 8-speed automatic CVT transmission with the V-8 engine and electric motor “results in power and performance on par with modern 12-cylinder engines.”"

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=5266

Actually, you made the same mistake that I did.

The article isn't criticizing the Lexus or saying that the Silverado is flat out better.

It's simply comparing the complexity of their hybrid powertrain components. And in that respect, the General Motors two-mode hybrid system (co-developed with Chrysler and Mercedes) is more sophisticated and efficient than the hybrid system in the Lexus.

Look at it in terms of improvement. The Lexus LS600h makes about 440 or so total horsepower between the V8 and the hybrid system, weighs 5050 pounds, has AWD, and is rated for mileage 20/22. The most comparable AWD sedan on the market is probably the Audi A8 long wheelbase AWD 6.0 liter W12 model, rated 15/21.

The Lexus manages to be about the same in terms of size, shape, and speed and gets mileage 33% better in the city and maybe 5% better highway.

Now find something to compare to the Silverado Crew Cab 2WD hybrid. The regular Silverado Crew Cab 5.3 2WD is rated 15/20 with 315 horsepower. The Silverado Crew Cab 2WD two-mode hybrid is rated 332 horsepower and mileage 21/22. That's an improvement of 40% city and 10% highway. And if the Tahoe Hybrid is any indication, the Silverado two-mode hybrid is also much faster than the regular Silverado 5.3 crew cab.

The Lexus is a very technologically sophisticated vehicle, no question. But it's hard to dispute that the two-mode hybrid system is more advanced than the Lexus hybrid system.

[Desert Rat]

Originally Posted by Michael_S

Actually, you made the same mistake that I did.

Not criticizing the article, but the ignorant posts in this thread.