I feel bad for Canada. Ontario, specifically. But, Trump will not beef about CANADIAN JOBS going to Mexico. He may disagree, but I think GM was too short-sighted, and Sales have been good enough to limit other options. Product Planning again? My God, these people cost the company so much with their ineptitude. You have a PR mess and a potential tooling snafu here. What IS these people's job anyway? OH, it's this... and they are still employed.
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Back to the Terrain. Just when I thought it had 3 strikes against it we add some more. The idiotic precision shift is strike 4 and now we have this. Prediction- there will never be one in my driveway.
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I have driven nothing but GM all my life, that will change with their continued slide across our southern border though. The most disgusting part in all of this is their continued stance that it has nothing to do with the slave labor rates they can get away with paying south of the border. That's fine and they are free to move to any country they wish but they will no longer be on my list when looking to buy something again. I would hope most of the country would follow that lead and let them sell to Mexicans if they want to build them there!
The "idealized view" is simply what most people who actually work with Mexicans will tell you, and ironically enough is pretty damn similar to what most of our European immigrant grandparents went through 100 years prior. Who by the way, didn't exactly adopt "our culture" either, lest you forget about the various ghettos, ethnic gangs, and "Irish need not apply".
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dslay04, I have been doing my own research and cannot find anything in which Mexico has a better free trade agreement with Europe than the US (or more favorable terms). Can you point out some specific sources due to your in-depth knowledge on this issue?
Thanks in advance.
But if we continue on these thoughts; what happens if:
1) We don't pay said "White Appalachian" to sit on his couch?
- Maybe he gets a job?
2) We starve the system of illegal Mexican's?
- Supply & Demand, will find a new equilibrium, at a higher wage, further encouraging said "White Appalachian" to get off the couch.....
And then, if you still can't fill the labor-need, after you've got all the "white guys" off the couch, don't you now have a legitimate argument to increase LEGAL immigration/laws.
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Yes, there are the very hard workers. I have been around them. There are also the "I am only a good worker when the boss is around to watch me" workers, who slack off and cut corners when the boss isn't around. Then there is a lot of the "I am bringing my pregnant wife / sister / Mom over here to pop out a puppy so we can easily suck off the government teet." I see them every day also. I see their kids in our schools. I see them here for years and years, and hardly able to speak any English. I see the hard workers who live 4-5 families in a single house so they can send all of their money back to Mexico (this helps us how?). I see the crime they bring. I see the construction sites where they pee on the floors of the houses that are being built, wipe their butts after taking a dump, and throw the paper on the floor.
Yes, the path to legal immigration needs to be made a bit more attractive so that the ones who are here for the right reasons are not punished. However, illegal is illegal. They should never get public assistance and should be deported immediately. States like AZ, CA (where an illegal can legally get a drivers license, and was encouraged to vote in our last election), NM, and TX deal with this every single day. We have a real close up view of the problems.
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Well, she (the CEO) probably voted for Hillary, so swhe's going to use her power to take it out on Trump......I think she should be replaced....................
American History and hell, World history for that matter proves this out over and over again and also the losses when done in Reverse.
You play the 'rest of the Game.
Question. ) For instance, why is it or was it not all that long ago, when the Oriskany ( CV / CVA / etc 34 ) was recently sunk for essentially a Marine Habitat purpose, it first had to leave and go far away from the US for 'key preparation' and then come Home ?
Answer. ) Environmental Costs associated with the partial scrapping / prep for sinking of things like Asbestos... ( and really...... much more than that. )
Ever seen what that really means ????
Never mind Adults in the Environmental Suits and Breathers.... lets just remind ourselves of raggedy ass shorts and no shoes or other footwear - and no shirt on Kids... little Kids.... while everything that is not directly handled and 'recycled' goes off into the People, the Land, the Air..... and the Water.
We are so lost with all this that we now literally cannot find a way to fully scrap the very ships we built in the first place and maintained.
Lesson learned : No Imports without a Comprehensively calculated National Environmental Certification.
Or ah 'Tax'.
Wanna' do something for the Environment and Cali's in particular ?
Besides Fukushima ????
Get rid of Off Shore / Marine Shipping pollution....
Don't get me wrong - I like those people a bunch.... but then again for this discussion.... the most highly progressive Marine Fuel Sulphur limits are scheduled much later to oh my goodness.... drop to 20,000 ppm from a current best of...... wait for it...... 50,000ppm.
Heavy Metals ?????
Now, what was all that blather about ( high Import content ) Batteries and the Environment ???
Btw, notice the beyond deafening silence with 'Battery Recycling' in terms of real and comprehensive data and numbers and accomplishments and misses rather than the usual - essentially propaganda about this looks promising or this is what we think we're gonna' do
So.... lets add in all the Environmental Import factors....
Now one of the other big, fat, overfed Pigs.... no wait, that's insulting - to the poor Pig - make it a toxic 'Parasite'.... in the room needs to go the other way.
More like others rather than like ourselves.
America used to 'innovate' these kinds of things and when we didn't we either Licensed it or Stole it - the key point being we were willing to look for the best way regardless of where from.
Which brings us to ....
USA - completely revised from the top to the bottom - and all around it.
See, you do not even postulate fully what "if it all where the same" really would mean.
Furthermore, you do not run it all the way out.
Because if you do - the whole nature of - and in our case, most / much of the volume of Imports would massively decrease - naturally.
Do you have any feel for exactly how much it really costs to ship something from Asia to North America ???
Or similar ?
The violations and corruptions of basic Free Market / Capitalistic Principles including the ones dealing with social / individual freedoms all the way 'round to Capital formation / allocation and Banking - and then Imports and Exports are the cause of all these problems - and not the solutions except by their practical extinction as we know them.
The hypocrisy is breath taking.
Micro ( Free Market ) Economics day 1 or not long after the Course intro hopefully........ shows something along the the lines of 'Optimo de Parado'..... or if you prefer..... something about the basics of Supply and Demand Curves...... and some others closely related.
Everyone nowadays seems to forget those are not just about 'a' type of widget or 'a' type of Labor or 'a' certain class of Goods and or Services - it's about all. Including but not limited to over a significant period of time.
You can in fact measure usefully ( its been done numerous times ) even if somewhat indirectly just how truly healthy a given Economy really is........ by looking at the Convergence factors for everything from Prices to Wages.... and you can measure the degree of sickness by the reverse ie Divergence.
We had at our best, a bunch of Tariffs and Duties a bunch of Manufacturing, a very small and improving Illegal Immigration / Alien problem.... a much lower grade, lower cost, 'more efficient' ( although still mostly despicable ) 'Protecting American Interests Overseas effort' a prosperous and rising Middle Class, a bunch less debt - all with about the top 10 % owning in net, about 90% of what matters.
Sounds terrible - and yet in real terms... it was great, even if still uneven.
And many things were in a crude kinda' way headed in the right direction - at worst, theoretically.
( Or so we told ourselves.... take your pick. )
Today, we sit in the polluted trash heap we have truly allowed ourselves to become with 1 % with the 90%. And oh yeah, with all kinds of Imported finished or semi finished Goods - with a very small amount going out.
It's not hard at all - it is in fact, really simple.
And as was said earlier, it's about a lot more 'outside' these specific areas.
And yeah, if you are gonna' drop a bunch of bad habits...... wisdom suggests you really need to plan that - and be as prepared as possible for the withdrawals you are for certain going to go thru - until you Break Thru and or Break Out.
No Pain No Gain.
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I think GM's donation to the DNC was just a PC move. Hard to imagine someone of Barra's background personally not getting aboard the train once the traditional Dem vs Rep politics began to change. Guess we will see going forward.
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