Autoblog - Consumer Reports rates half-ton pickups, raises eyebrows!

[ARCANGEL]

Biased pricks

[ToyFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ksr

Does anyone really not believe that except for photos, this CR review was basically written long before the first new Tundra rolled off the line?

In the real magazines, the Chevy wins every comparison. The Toyota doesn't always even finsh second.

They won't predict reliability on a lot of new models. But they will for this Toyota. Never mind those pesky camshafts shooting out of the thing.

You base a review on how you think your readers would order a truck? And somehow you know that they'd order a Toyota with a more powerful engine? Then you make towing a major test factor?

No, not biased at all.

This is a magazine that does it's vaunted reliability surveys based only on it's own readership and not the population at large. Basically asking the same questions of the same group of car owners year after year. Completely unscientific methods.

Other then the C&D comparison, what are the real mags where the chevy wins every comparison?

Making towing a major factor test factor does seems fairly reasonable, it is a truck test, not a passenger car eval.

I think to be nice they say it is a new vehicle and there in not enough data at this time.

I think they should always compare top engines to top engines (unless it is a limited production thing - SRT10). I think the majority of Tundras are with the 5.7 engine.

Either way, please list the real mags.

[bouda]

Are the halftons getting a stick again sometime soon?

[ksr]

Originally Posted by ToyFanBoy

Other then the C&D comparison, what are the real mags where the chevy wins every comparison?

Making towing a major factor test factor does seems fairly reasonable, it is a truck test, not a passenger car eval.

I think to be nice they say it is a new vehicle and there in not enough data at this time.

I think they should always compare top engines to top engines (unless it is a limited production thing - SRT10). I think the majority of Tundras are with the 5.7 engine.

Either way, please list the real mags.

Towing is a major factor. But they didn't test with Chevy's optimal setup.

The Chevy won the C&D comparison, as you mentioned. It also won the MT comparison. The two biggest players in the automotive press chose the Chevy.

Winning a CR review is like pointing out that a Toyota spokesman feels that the Tundra is the best truck on the market.

[member12]

Originally Posted by jimbo

They are not in the least dumb. They are biased. They do that on purpose to make their favorite brands look better and to shed domestic cars and trucks in the worst light. They are liars but they aren't dumb.

sensationalist stories....they have to make the big guys look bad and make the differences seem appalling or no one will buy them. They do this b/c they can't make a profit on selling adds.

This is why they make such a huge deal about cupholder placement...and also why they are fundamentally a bad magazine to read for information. The big deal with this story is that the new guy on the block is WAY better than the Silverado for everything....but at the same time they are not comparing apples to apples. I can't read them anymore because I get too frustrated with some of their BS....like how the XL7 andTorrent is rated above average in reliability when the Chevy Equinox is below average.

They are better at reviewing higher tech devices, such as computers and plastma TVs. I'd say they are okay at appliances, too....but if you really get off on paying a subscription to a magazine that reviews toasters, then you have got issues.

It's good that someone reviews the washers, dryers, and ranges. No one else does, so I can't complain about that even if they are full of it. I'd rather take their word for it (or a salesmans) than to go out on my own and do a crash course on dishwasher techonology and end up paying too much for a piece of crap.

Cars....well, it's their most popular topic so they have to creat sensation when they reveiw them. Scions and Toyotas don't just beat the competition...they blast them. It leaves people like that appliance customer not looking at cars because "they are a piece of crap" (because CR doesn't like the cupholder placement or it's performance in their unscientific testing.

[ToyFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ksr

Towing is a major factor. But they didn't test with Chevy's optimal setup.

The Chevy won the C&D comparison, as you mentioned. It also won the MT comparison. The two biggest players in the automotive press chose the Chevy.

Winning a CR review is like pointing out that a Toyota spokesman feels that the Tundra is the best truck on the market.

CR has always been weak on "good" vehicle evaluations. They could do good ones, they just don't. They come up with some off the wall stuff.

I like C&D’s testing of vehicles, but I’m not a big fan of MT. Of all the sources, C&D is probably the best to me, which doesn’t help my Tundra points, but that is how I see C&D.

Like everyone seems to say, the mags should always compare top motors, to top motors. I forgot about the MT comparison test. I they also used the 5.3 instead of the 6.0 engine. If they would have used the 6.0 engine, it could have helped the toy come out on top. After reading that article, I can only assume they put a lot of emphasis on the $4K cheaper price.

I see Truck Trends, Popular Mechanics, Edmunds.com, Trailer Boats and CR did not choose the gm/chevy 1/2 ton over the blundra. I like also like Edmunds.com reviews, just not as well as C&D. So, “in the real magazines, the Chevy wins every comparison”, all 2 of them? But I have problems calling MT a real mag. I feel as though they have the advertisers drive their reviews, a little more then the rest of the publications.

"The Toyota doesn't always even finsh second." I noticed the gm product suffered that same fate, but I forgot the real magazine requirement.

Truck Trends - “not enough to overcome the tundra's superior powertrain performance, safety equipment, larger cabin, & better fuel economy in every situation.”

Edmunds.com - “the baddest half-ton in 2007 is the Toyota Tundra.”

Popular Mechanics - choose the Tundra #2 over the gm at #3.

Trailer Boats - Tundra “took top honors in critical categories such as overall engine and transmission performance, and towing ride and handling. It also scored best in fit, finish and styling”.

CR - When pulling a 7,400lb trailer to 60mph, the tundra is faster than the diesel 2500 chevy and F250. Tundra 16.1 seconds, Chevy 17, Ford 18.9. It smoked the 1/2 ton chevy and ford.

[plane]

You know somebody has reached the last resort of pitiful whining when "Trailer Boats" is brought up as an example.
Where's your Cosmopolitan example?
Where's your GQ example?
How about Ladies Home Journal?

[HoeyHimself]

So I wonder who Toyota writes out a check out to for these reviews, wanna know names...or do they just write it to Consumer Report?!

[tamatt27]

Originally Posted by HoeyHimself

So I wonder who Toyota writes out a check out to for these reviews, wanna know names...or do they just write it to Consumer Report?!

I just thought it was understood that Consumer Reports was, indeed, Toyota's PR Dep't.

[wpageabc]

CR sucks! They are on the payroll of the highest contributers

[mbukukanyau]

For our readers, fuel economy is more important than gaining an extra second or two faster time 0 to 60, and we tested the trucks we felt were configured as our subscribers would use them."

They should have used the smaller engine then on Tundra. They offer the old 4.3, right?

[96vette]

Originally Posted by GMusa

You have got to be kidding me! CR are a bunch of idiots! I cant believe how one sided they are, they have hatrid against U.S. automakers! Pick trucks that actually compare against each other!!

And the Tundra being more reliable then the Silverado and F-150 is just nuts!

I hope people see past their biased views!

They always have been one sided and yes they are a bunch of idiots, thats why I NEVER pay attention to them for anything.

[GoneFishin]

Seems this Tundra truck is having all sorts of quality issues.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...83fb4d9cfc6f7d

[wpageabc]

CR has had it in for GM since the Corvair debacle with Ralph Nader.