Making NASCAR look lame: Mercedes AMG C-Class DTM

1931Chevy · 03-09-2007, 10:54 AM

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/09/m...g-c-class-dtm/

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Here's my issue with NASCAR (and I know I'm in the minority here, based on the sport's immense popularity): I can barely tell one car from another, and as a result, I get bored. Sure, I know who the big guys are and what cars they're supposedly driving, but the fact of the matter is this: the bodies are, to the naked eye, identical-looking. If the cars didn't have stickers to simulate the front fascia of an actual production car, I'd be lost. Monte Carlo SS? Charger? Fusion? Camry? Sure, if you (and the decals) say so. Thank goodness for the production-based classes in ALMS, SPEED World Challenge, Grand-Am and the like, where Vettes, Astons, Mustangs, etc. are completely identifiable.

FordFan · 03-09-2007, 11:01 AM

I don't understand why NASCAR is still trying to fool people by using these sticker grilles.

Why aren't the Automakers using their own stock vehicles?

mbukukanyau · 03-09-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FordFan

I don't understand why NASCAR is still trying to fool people by using these sticker grilles.

Why aren't the Automakers using their own stock vehicles?

Nascar is not really a sport. Its a Mindset

ctaylorzl1 · 03-09-2007, 11:04 AM

I am so tired of this argument. If you dont like NASCAR, don't watch it & quit complaning about it! Yes, the bodies are nearly identical, big deal. No "Stock Car" could do what the NASCARs do, and the NASCARs speed & all out power are what makes them cool.

FordFan · 03-09-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ctaylorzl1

the NASCARs speed & all out power are what makes them cool.

I like the crashes... >_<

darndot · 03-09-2007, 11:07 AM

I would love to see them put roll cages in new cars and race them. NASCAR has been going in the wrong direction for years. I will still be at Bristol to watch the COT race for the first time.

I guess if we had enough money we could start our own series and race what we want to.

FordFan · 03-09-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by darndot

I would love to see them put roll cages in new cars and race them. NASCAR has been going in the wrong direction for years. I will still be at Bristol to watch the COT race for the first time.

I guess if we had enough money we could start our own series and race what we want to.

Lincoln Marks and Caddy Eldorados in the twisties?

tholland · 03-09-2007, 11:13 AM

I like DTM racing, but the cars are ugly. LOL

Kowalski · 03-09-2007, 11:29 AM

Nascar sucks.

HoeyHimself · 03-09-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

Nascar is not really a sport. Its a Mindset

No, it's more then a mindset...it's a way of life

mjd1001 · 03-09-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kowalski

Nascar sucks.

Once again, another well thought out post that adds a whole lot to the discussion...Wasn't something said a few months ago by the moderators about NOT making posts like this that don't add anything to the topic, other than taking a shot at people who dont' agree with you?

As for the original poster, I do agree with you. Nascar isn't about Ford vs Chevrolet vs Dodge vs Toyota anymore. Sure, they do contribute dollars to the sport and have a hand in funding engine development and aero testing....but for all practical purposes that is is. Basically, I am pretty sure the only reasons the auto makers are 'still in it' and Nascar allows it is Money. Nascar gets money from the Automakers, and the Automakers get a huge ammount of advertisement.

ctaylorzl1 · 03-09-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by darndot

I would love to see them put roll cages in new cars and race them. NASCAR has been going in the wrong direction for years.

then go to your local track on during a SCCA event. I dont know about anyone else, but I dont not want to see stock 300hp Impala SS's, racing a 350hp Charger R/T's around the track. It would be so increadably slow! Everyone just quit bitchin' about the name Stock Car, "Who gives a turkey" seriously?

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Originally Posted by HoeyHimself

No, it's more then a mindset...it's a way of life

Darn Right!

327 · 03-09-2007, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1931Chevy

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/09/m...g-c-class-dtm/

Click image for hi-res gallery

Here's my issue with NASCAR (and I know I'm in the minority here, based on the sport's immense popularity): I can barely tell one car from another, and as a result, I get bored. Sure, I know who the big guys are and what cars they're supposedly driving, but the fact of the matter is this: the bodies are, to the naked eye, identical-looking. If the cars didn't have stickers to simulate the front fascia of an actual production car, I'd be lost. Monte Carlo SS? Charger? Fusion? Camry? Sure, if you (and the decals) say so. Thank goodness for the production-based classes in ALMS, SPEED World Challenge, Grand-Am and the like, where Vettes, Astons, Mustangs, etc. are completely identifiable.

Youre in luck, On the new nascars coming up at the Bristol speedway Race You will be able to tell them apart, without the stickers. Even though they are all more alike that what youre seeing now!

**Ming** · 03-09-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FordFan

I don't understand why NASCAR is still trying to fool people by using these sticker grilles.

Why aren't the Automakers using their own stock vehicles?

They are, just not in NASCAR. See the Grand Am Koni Challenge GS and ST class races.

Asking why NASCAR doesn't use production-based cars is like asking why WWE Professional Wrestlers don't use Olympic Wrestling rules. It's not gonna happen. And the fans don't care. So change the channel and/or complain to the Speed channel for not offering more production-based racing series live like this one: http://www.grand-am.com/Home.asp

2648562 · 03-09-2007, 09:10 PM

Yes that car is pretty cool to look at. And NASCAR needs to do a little more to differentiate models. But just how safe do you guys think your Monte Carlo or Fusion is at 190 when people die everyday in 45 mph accidents??? Wanna race FWD cars huh? Yeah, those are going to handle really well. Can you say push like a ****** ******? Heck, by the end of a race most walls would be knocked down. Never mind the challenges your going to have getting 850 hp to hook up at a track like Martinsville. NASCAR is too big. The drivers are mainly spoiled rich kids. And their size is hurting other series with better racing. But it's not the cars fault.

Until the day Chevy builds something like this:http://www.legendsofnascar.com/chassis2.jpg
I really wouldn't rag on the cars.

03-09-2007, 11:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
FordFan 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,049	Re: Making NASCAR look lame: Mercedes AMG C-Class DTM I don't understand why NASCAR is still trying to fool people by using these sticker grilles. Why aren't the Automakers using their own stock vehicles?

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ctaylorzl1 5.3 Liter LS4 V8 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indiana Drives: 1996 Dodge 3500 CTD 4x4 1992 Camaro RS 305 Posts: 3,303	Re: Making NASCAR look lame: Mercedes AMG C-Class DTM I am so tired of this argument. If you dont like NASCAR, don't watch it & quit complaning about it! Yes, the bodies are nearly identical, big deal. No "Stock Car" could do what the NASCARs do, and the NASCARs speed & all out power are what makes them cool. __________________

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darndot 6.2 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Illinois Drives: Silvy, 57-Pickup, Corvair-Vert. Posts: 2,956	Re: Making NASCAR look lame: Mercedes AMG C-Class DTM I would love to see them put roll cages in new cars and race them. NASCAR has been going in the wrong direction for years. I will still be at Bristol to watch the COT race for the first time. I guess if we had enough money we could start our own series and race what we want to. __________________ All GM since 1985. Owner of a 92 Long Roof Caprice.

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tholland 3.9 Liter V6 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Toronto Drives: 2002 GTP Posts: 892	Re: Making NASCAR look lame: Mercedes AMG C-Class DTM I like DTM racing, but the cars are ugly. LOL __________________ 2007 Avalanche, Black LTZ 4x4 2002 Grand Prix Black GTP, Intercooled

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Kowalski Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Drives: 2004 Vauxhall Vectra GSi 3.2 V6 24V Manual Posts: 2,402	Re: Making NASCAR look lame: Mercedes AMG C-Class DTM Nascar sucks.

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03-09-2007, 09:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
2648562 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,306	Re: Making NASCAR look lame: Mercedes AMG C-Class DTM Yes that car is pretty cool to look at. And NASCAR needs to do a little more to differentiate models. But just how safe do you guys think your Monte Carlo or Fusion is at 190 when people die everyday in 45 mph accidents??? Wanna race FWD cars huh? Yeah, those are going to handle really well. Can you say push like a **** ****? Heck, by the end of a race most walls would be knocked down. Never mind the challenges your going to have getting 850 hp to hook up at a track like Martinsville. NASCAR is too big. The drivers are mainly spoiled rich kids. And their size is hurting other series with better racing. But it's not the cars fault. Until the day Chevy builds something like this:http://www.legendsofnascar.com/chassis2.jpg I really wouldn't rag on the cars.

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