Saab 9-1 Put On Hold - Page 2

johnny smallblock · 08-04-2008, 12:25 PM

Why does GM announce that it is delaying vehicle development? Don't they realize it just looks terrible? You never hear about Toyo or Honda's internal debates about what cars to build and what platforms to use. Of course they have those debates, but we never hear about them. So to the world they are focused efficient machines. And what does GM do? Announce they're considering delaying the development of the next gen corporate radio to decide whether it should be 12" wide or 12.5". Brilliant!!!

mbukukanyau · 08-04-2008, 12:33 PM

GM needs 9-1 more than the 9-5 or 9-3 for saab..

Kheiron · 08-04-2008, 01:30 PM

not necessarily, 9-3 on Delta II is extremely important. I'd venture to guess that buyers of premium/luxury brands are more interested in cars sized Cobalt/3-series size up to 9-5 size than they are of an Aveo size.

Why GM just doesn't say, we are putting the vehicle on the next-gen aveo platform with premium suspension, component, chassis tuning, and worlds apart quality and feel of materials with a different stamped greenhouse....is beyond me.

? Really I'm lost on this, why not just put it on Gamma with the necessary changes and call it a day?

Astra RL · 08-04-2008, 01:33 PM

Gamma II is what it should be on so that it is a Mini competitor. So if it is Delta II it will be about 2 feet longer than a Mini. And at that size it will basically be a 9-3 hatch rather than a separate model.

Chaz_23 · 08-04-2008, 02:10 PM

They have to redirect their efforts (apparently they only have a handful of engineers who can only work on a single project) toward the next generation of SUVs and Trucks.

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Originally Posted by jmlee0695

whats up with gm delaying all the good cars and trucks? 9-1,insignia (aura),GMT-950s,whats next volt? cruze?

SUPERBADD75 · 08-04-2008, 03:58 PM

that's cool because, hey, Saab only needs products more than ANY other GM division, so why try to get something going now? how many more Oldsmobiles are there going to be before GM gets their s**t together? throwing a concept out there with no plan of how to build it is absolutely stupid. i want GM to succeed, but it's hard to root for the home team when there are nothing but a bunch of idiots running the show.

**mgescuro** · 08-04-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

GM needs 9-1 more than the 9-5 or 9-3 for saab..

I disagree. 9-5 is one of the oldest cars on the road today. It needs a complete revamp. And it needed it in 2004.

9-3 and 9-5 family are the core of Saab.

jmlee0695 · 08-04-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by civilzues

what are thoes? Also just put it on gamma already

those will be the next-gen gmt-900s. every redesign goes up 50. ex) GMT_850s=GMT-900s=GMT-950s etc

camaro_freak · 08-04-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mgescuro

I disagree. 9-5 is one of the oldest cars on the road today. It needs a complete revamp. And it needed it in 2004.

9-3 and 9-5 family are the core of Saab.

lets not bring up that up any more than we have too shruggg... that 9-5 MCE was pathetic

**mgescuro** · 08-04-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro_freak

lets not bring up that up any more than we have too shruggg... that 9-5 MCE was pathetic

The first MCE (circa 2002) was pretty good.
The second MCE made the car look like a raccoon.

jmlee0695 · 08-04-2008, 11:53 PM

no car should be so old that it gets 2 mces

**mgescuro** · 08-04-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jmlee0695

no car should be so old that it gets 2 mces

Well... if you want to be picky, the DTS is technically on its 3rd MCE...

LeSabre · 08-05-2008, 01:28 AM

I would say that for the Saab 9-1 being shown at an auto show was a bit of a mistake since they have decided shortly afterwards to put it on hold/delay its release due to change in the platform it will be on due in turn to a change in marketing direction for the brand. These decisions should be made & set in stone before unveiling a given model at a car show.
I think that they should continue w/putting the car on the platform(Delta II) that it was originally intended to be on & then get to work immediately to do a complete overhaul to move it to the Gamma II platform & have the 2nd gen be out in 2-4yrs.

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jmlee0695 · 08-05-2008, 02:03 AM

^^^that sounds good.but it would be almost the same size as the next-gen 9-3

LeSabre · 08-05-2008, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jmlee0695

^^^that sounds good.but it would be almost the same size as the next-gen 9-3

It would only be a temporary solution.
They would have to fast track the Gamma II (2nd gen)9-1 & get it to market it 2-3yrs instead of 3-4yrs.

Though GM being as they have been for years now, would never do this. They are very slow on the uptake & make illogically & even impractical decisions.
Wagoner being the beancounter he is has no vision for the company he heads.

I say "heads" above b/c he doesn't know how to lead.

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mbukukanyau 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In front of my computer Drives: 2006 HHR 2002 Corolla-Before I saw the light Posts: 8,058	Re: Saab 9-1 Put On Hold GM needs 9-1 more than the 9-5 or 9-3 for saab.. __________________ Before Understanding comes Faith "Legislatures represent people, not acres or trees"-Earl Warren

08-04-2008, 01:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
Kheiron Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 933	Re: Saab 9-1 Put On Hold not necessarily, 9-3 on Delta II is extremely important. I'd venture to guess that buyers of premium/luxury brands are more interested in cars sized Cobalt/3-series size up to 9-5 size than they are of an Aveo size. Why GM just doesn't say, we are putting the vehicle on the next-gen aveo platform with premium suspension, component, chassis tuning, and worlds apart quality and feel of materials with a different stamped greenhouse....is beyond me. ? Really I'm lost on this, why not just put it on Gamma with the necessary changes and call it a day?

08-04-2008, 01:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
Astra RL 3.8 Liter Supercharged V6 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 526	Re: Saab 9-1 Put On Hold Gamma II is what it should be on so that it is a Mini competitor. So if it is Delta II it will be about 2 feet longer than a Mini. And at that size it will basically be a 9-3 hatch rather than a separate model.

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SUPERBADD75 6.2 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: at the corner of walk and don't walk Drives: 2008 Trailblazer LT3 2009 Mustang Posts: 2,899	Re: Saab 9-1 Put On Hold that's cool because, hey, Saab only needs products more than ANY other GM division, so why try to get something going now? how many more Oldsmobiles are there going to be before GM gets their st together? throwing a concept out there with no plan of how to build it is absolutely stupid. i want GM to succeed, but it's hard to root for the home team when there are nothing but a bunch of idiots running the show. __________________ Acura: Because if you want a really nice Honda, there's only one choice. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein - 2008 Trailblazer LT3 - 2009 Mustang SUPPORT AMERICA: BOYCOTT WAL-MART**

08-04-2008, 11:53 PM	#26 (permalink)
jmlee0695 3.8 Liter V6 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 486	Re: Saab 9-1 Put On Hold no car should be so old that it gets 2 mces

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08-05-2008, 01:28 AM	#28 (permalink)
LeSabre 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Dec 2005 Drives: 1988 Buick LeSabre(4dr) Goes by the name Katherine Posts: 2,305	Re: Saab 9-1 Put On Hold I would say that for the Saab 9-1 being shown at an auto show was a bit of a mistake since they have decided shortly afterwards to put it on hold/delay its release due to change in the platform it will be on due in turn to a change in marketing direction for the brand. These decisions should be made & set in stone before unveiling a given model at a car show. I think that they should continue w/putting the car on the platform(Delta II) that it was originally intended to be on & then get to work immediately to do a complete overhaul to move it to the Gamma II platform & have the 2nd gen be out in 2-4yrs. . __________________ It is time for Rick Wagoner to get his ridiculously outrageous severance package & hit the door! Also take that no good Board of Directors w/you! ....& good riddance!!!

08-05-2008, 02:03 AM	#29 (permalink)
jmlee0695 3.8 Liter V6 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 486	Re: Saab 9-1 Put On Hold ^^^that sounds good.but it would be almost the same size as the next-gen 9-3

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